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Artemis Entreri 
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Message 19 of 136 (631126)
08-30-2011 12:37 PM


Does this count?

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Artemis Entreri 
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Message 32 of 136 (631263)
08-31-2011 8:40 AM
Reply to: Message 20 by AZPaul3
08-30-2011 5:38 PM


Re: Does this count? No, not really.
alright thanks.
I think it is more the directly intrusive things that churches do, like force involuntary prayer on a captured audience of kids or sailors, or push to have pro-creationist teachings included in the science curriculum.
What churches do that?
Glad I'm Roman Catholic, we don't do that crap. We have our own PRIVATE schools to indoctrinate our own people, and we are not creationists to begin with, must be those crazy Protestants. Everyone should be worried of the Sola Scriptura fanatics.

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Artemis Entreri 
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Message 34 of 136 (631517)
09-01-2011 2:51 PM
Reply to: Message 33 by AZPaul3
08-31-2011 9:24 AM


Re: Does this count? No, not really.
not sure what can be done; and its a small minority, so to insinuate that as if its all over the church and every priest is suspect, is what I have a problem with, and why I hit the dislike button. You can type the most logical well thought out post, but that snarky off-color jibe at the end is what ruined everything.

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Artemis Entreri 
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Message 39 of 136 (631713)
09-02-2011 3:56 PM
Reply to: Message 35 by Granny Magda
09-01-2011 5:03 PM


Re: Does this count? No, not really.
Granny Magda writes:
I think that the main point to be understood here is not so much that abuse took place, but that the Church did so little to stop it and in fact made it worse. They should have called in the appropriate authorities, but instead, they chose to cover their own sanctimonious asses.
I got no problem with that, my problem was the stereotyping of an entire demographic (and the largest Christian church on the planet Earth), based on the actions of a few. If I get robbed by a black man and call all blacks robbers then I would be called a racist. But if you make similar remarks about Catholics based on the actions of a few, then THAT is different!?! I don’t have a double standard, and I won’t allow you to have one either.
hoah212002 writes:
Yea....the ones directly effected. The rest say "well, it wasn't MY church...."
Kinda like Artie is saying....
Not true at all. Catholics are very upset, discusted, and angry about it. Even in very faithful nations like Ireland. It’s a big deal.
I said nothing to the contrary of that, only that AZPaul3 was slandering 1.147 BILLION people, on the actions of a few, and no-one cares. I was just pointing out another horrible double standard that exists here at EvC.
fearandloathing writes:
I think Bloomberg made the right choice.
Why? I think Bloomberg sucks, and NYC would be better without him.
Have you been to ground zero in the last 10 years? I have been twice once in 2005 and once in 2010. Both times the ground zero site has been blocked off and under construction, there really isn’t much to see. If you do want to see something then you had to go to the makeshift memorial and 9/11 museum, across the street (located at 209 broadway). It’s the trinity wall street church (St. Paul’s). I think it’s sad and rude that NYC would accept help from the church in a time of need, and then 10 years later when the time was to commemorate the event, the church is left out. F NYC. Well that’s how the left is I guess.
Dr Adequate writes:
Instead of shooting the messenger,
do you consider racists the messenger, or should the blacks get their shit together?
Edited by Artemis Entreri, : No reason given.

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Artemis Entreri 
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Message 44 of 136 (631723)
09-02-2011 4:49 PM
Reply to: Message 42 by fearandloathing
09-02-2011 4:36 PM


Re: Does this count? No, not really.
fearandloathing writes:
What does this have to do with Bloomberg not allowing prayers to be made aloud by clergy?
Obviously it had nothing to do with Bloomberg’s decision and that is the problem.
hoah212002 writes:
I've noticed you do this on several occasions: if you want to reply to numerous posts....reply to numerous posts, don't lump them all into the same reply.
"I'll do what I want, don't tell me what to do" in 3...2...1....
I’ll wait for ADIN or MODS to make that call, I think it’s better to have less responses than more responses, as far as being polite/respectful to the site and the people that run it, and the people that use the site. Also, this FIB doesn’t take advice from cheese-heads, ever.
fearandloathing writes:
I think you might be missing the point, in years past there has been no prayers allowed by any religious group, why start now, how do you choose which ones? Can a Muslim or Jewish prayer also be said, how about a statement from an atheist?
In years past what are you talking about? In years past the museum, and memorial have been at an Episcopal Church.
I would let the Episcopalians lead the prayer, as they have been invested sine the 1st plane hit. I don’t care what prayers are said, and who says them.
Did NYC ask the church for help? Do you know that no Muslim organization offered help or did not help?
It’s not really charity if you have to ask. I don’t know.

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Artemis Entreri 
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Message 48 of 136 (631728)
09-02-2011 5:06 PM
Reply to: Message 43 by Dr Adequate
09-02-2011 4:39 PM


Re: Does this count? No, not really.
look d00d my beef wasn't with people like you, it was with the haters like AZPaul3. I only took it up with you when you inferred that I was shooting the messenger. I wasn't shooting the messenger, I was defending against the racist. I understand your beef is explicitly with the church organization, and that is fine. don't talk no shit, there won't be no shit. he was talking shit.
I guess this is Carte Blanche to criticize the NAACP all I want, and not be called a racist here? since they are an organization and not individual people, right?
I'll take it as a yes from you and everyone who likes with your post, until I hear otherwise.
I guess I can criticize the unions, without criticizing the workers.
I guess I can criticize Democrats without criticizing the people who vote democrat.
I guess I can criticize your queen without saying a word against you, or the Canadians.
I guess I can criticize the people who put in Gay Legislation, without criticizing the gay people.
ok, that seems fair to me.

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Artemis Entreri 
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Message 49 of 136 (631730)
09-02-2011 5:16 PM
Reply to: Message 45 by hooah212002
09-02-2011 4:53 PM


Re: Does this count? No, not really.
hoah212002 writes:
Northern IL born and raised, bitch. I'm no god damn cheese head.
LOL. So Ill myself. I L L.
What's also funny is how you've not said word one about the firemen or PD being allowed either.
I don’t get that one.
fearandloathing writes:
Do you even read the post or link? ANNUAL event.
Yeah I read it. Sorry I didn’t memorize ever single fucking line.
Because it’s a big event, and they want representation this year, that is why.
AZPaul3 writes:
You are a catholic. Whether you care to acknowledge it or not this "systemic" problem that has plagued your church for generations is a reflection on you.
You need to face this. You need to stop this. God knows your church leaders are not going to.
Are you advocating Vigilantism now? After an Ad hominem against billions of people, its hard for me to follow your logic. Please explain.

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Artemis Entreri 
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Message 52 of 136 (631741)
09-02-2011 5:51 PM
Reply to: Message 51 by Dr Adequate
09-02-2011 5:25 PM


Re: Does this count? No, not really.
fearandloathing writes:
Kick rocks, all you want to do do is argue, not discuss.
I’ll take that as you giving up.
Dr Adequate writes:
That depends what you're criticizing them for. If it's for being gay, for example, then we might have a problem.
I just put that one in there for kicks. I know how things are around here, and I just wanted a quote from you on it.
RULE 1 at evcforum.net: Anyone who disagrees with a pro-gay legislation is a homophobe, a bigot, and hates gay people regardless of what they post in their responses. I have experienced it, I know.
Thanks for your reply but I don’t believe you.
Well, don't "you guys" as he put it, have some measure of responsibility? You could speak up for reform; or you could leave the Church. Or you could wait for someone else to agitate for reform, fair enough, we can't all shoulder all the problems of the world, but while you wait for someone else to sort this out, you could also not waste any effort complaining about the "haters" who suggest that someone should.
As you said earlier it’s a hierarchy, and it’s not an elected one. Speaking up really doesn’t do anything. I have left the church before, but I came back, the only protestants I could handle where the Anglicans (I actually quite liked them), but they were too close to the original not to come back IMHO. All the others were downright crazy, with their ant-gay, anti-science, anti-beer, anti-everything that is not praising the lord 24/7, and they were to much into a book that is extremely contradictory and ambiguous IMHO. So I am really not sure what I could to the help the situation outside of pray for better things. In fact when I say the Rosary I usually say it for this very issue. I go right past Jesus, and tell his mom.
Edited by Artemis Entreri, : No reason given.

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Artemis Entreri 
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Message 56 of 136 (632094)
09-05-2011 4:12 PM
Reply to: Message 55 by Granny Magda
09-04-2011 8:25 AM


Re: Does this count? No, not really.
AZPaul3 was merely engaging in legitimate satire. At no point did he say or even imply that all Catholics, or even all Catholic priests are rapists. You are being over-sensitive, especially in light of the fact that you yourself have told some rather close-to-the-knuckle jokes around here before now.
The Catholic church has invited this kind of satire. It has only itself to blame. If you don't like it, blame the church for creating this shit storm.
what a dodge.[Sarcasm]
get called out and its ALWAYS just satire or a joke, I did not see anything in the post to suggest satire, joking or sarcasm. This is just a cop-out for being called out. I aint buying it. he is busted, let him come to his own defense.
Suffice to say that if blacks were one monolithic organisation and they behaved as the church has done, they would have no cause for complaint when they became the targets of legitimate satire.
welcome to the department of redundancy department; would it have not been easier just to "like" Dr Adequate's post? Instead of repeating what was already stated.
Now I didn't say anything. Please try to remember that AZPaul and I are separate people.
LOL, but you are taking to his defense. and now you are trying to dodge disparaging a large demographic of the planet. why the dodge? you can stand up or AZPaul3, but not for yourself? (that's odd).

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Artemis Entreri 
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Message 59 of 136 (632206)
09-06-2011 10:53 AM
Reply to: Message 58 by Granny Magda
09-06-2011 2:28 AM


Re: Does this count? No, not really.
Because if you are this pissed off about one little comment on a message board, I'm surprised that you're not angrier about the thousands of rapes and subsequent cover up.
not pissed at all. Just like pointing out the double standards and cop-outs here, that is all.
Oh look, I was right. What a shock. Funny how could see that and you couldn't.
plausible deniability
When you apparently get mixed up about who said what, it makes it look as though you aren't paying attention that's all.
strawman. I knew who said what. you just got defensive, because I went for you after you defended someone else.
Mutate and Survive
Repent and Be Saved
you guys want to get back on topic, now?
Edited by Artemis Entreri, : No reason given.
Edited by Artemis Entreri, : No reason given.

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Artemis Entreri 
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Message 61 of 136 (632355)
09-07-2011 11:00 AM
Reply to: Message 60 by Granny Magda
09-06-2011 11:04 AM


Re: Does this count? No, not really.
even reducing yourself to taking pot-shots at my signature.
I didn't know it was a sig, Mine never shows up. all message boards are different, but the placement of a sig under the post with no divider is really odd compared to most message boards I post on.
I got defensive because you implied that I said something that I did not say.
well that was never my intent, but if you want to read me a certain way so you can respond then i cannot stop you.
So you decided not to address the argument at all this time
why bother any time I make a point, then you say "oh i was joking" or some other bullshit cop-out dodge. thanks for this short lesson, I wouldn't waste my time trying to formulate something to say to you anymore.
Edited by Artemis Entreri, : No reason given.

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Artemis Entreri 
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Message 65 of 136 (632645)
09-09-2011 8:17 AM
Reply to: Message 63 by Granny Magda
09-08-2011 11:19 AM


Re: Does this count? No, not really.
The fact that it appears at the bottom of every one of my eighteen hundred plus messages didn't tip you off? Okay.
I got it out of a comicbook. Just liked the sound of it.
its not a sig because you type it out every time, otherwise the sigs on this site are divided by a grey line. I added my signature by clicking the box. this is the 2nd time you are being called out in this thread, lol busted.
So again, no attempt on your part to address the actual argument, just more childish whining. You want to be careful you don't act too much like a child AE. You might get buggered by a priest.
whatever d00d I am satisfied with calling you out and you being a childish asshole about it like you are right now.

FUCK OFF!

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Artemis Entreri 
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Message 67 of 136 (632656)
09-09-2011 9:08 AM
Reply to: Message 66 by Theodoric
09-09-2011 9:02 AM


Re: Does this count? No, not really.
LOL
well it takes one to know one and you are the biggest one.

FUCK OFF!

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Artemis Entreri 
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Message 72 of 136 (632723)
09-09-2011 3:44 PM
Reply to: Message 68 by Theodoric
09-09-2011 9:19 AM


Re: Does this count? No, not really.
ooh that is a good one did you come up with that comeback by yourself?
roflmfao
you got mad skillz!

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Artemis Entreri 
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Message 99 of 136 (635196)
09-27-2011 6:45 PM
Reply to: Message 97 by hooah212002
09-27-2011 2:44 PM


Re: Only in the South.....
have you ever been to church!?!
I would choose the fines in a heartbeat.
I fail to see how this is an establishment of a religion.

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