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Author Topic:   Intelligent design. Philosophy of ignorance.
sidelined
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Message 181 of 301 (370144)
12-16-2006 1:49 AM
Reply to: Message 174 by Percy
12-15-2006 8:57 AM


Re: Science done by IDists
Percy
From the website we have this quote.
According to Axe, the projects currently under way at Biologic include "examining the origin of metabolic pathways in bacteria, the evolution of gene order in bacteria, and the evolution of protein folds".
What exactly would the researchers expect to find that would differentiate the notion of evolution by natural means from a intelligent designer who's characteristics they refuse to specify?
If an intelligent designer was the hidden variable within the oddly imprecise workings of biology how would they distinguish this?
They cannot any longer simply state that the complexity of a phenomena is evidence since they must then explain how this cannot be accomplished by natural means, again undermining their own agenda.
Without a concrete and substantial explanation of the nature of this intelligence they cannot hope to establish any sort of scientific validity much less the even greater problem inherent in explaining the mechanism this intelligent designer must employ and the evidence they have to support that Pandora's box of issues.
I think it would be a definite plus to put them under the public microscope to allow all those hopeful faithful believers out there the opportunity to let beggars ride horses. How about a prime time slot on Sunday following local church services on TV? Then the Biologic Institute could jump in to devastate the theory of evolution with their superior insight into the real world and its structure.
I mean Sundays need a good comedy show to end the week and have us laughing all the way into work on Monday morning don't you agree?

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sidelined
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Message 219 of 301 (371483)
12-21-2006 7:18 PM
Reply to: Message 182 by GDR
12-16-2006 2:37 AM


Re: Science done by IDists
GDR
How is it possible to prove something can't be done by natural means. You can only prove that it can.
Why do you suppose that is the case? Could it be because the world is not supernatural but natural?
If using the concept of the "God of the Gaps" is wrong, then it is just as wrong to use the Science of the Gaps" as well.
It is not wrong to use God of the gaps, it is just not scientific. A "science of the Gaps" {As you so call it} is not of the same character at all though, since any conjecture into the nature of that which is not known by science must be consistent with that which is already known by science. Science consistently furthers knowledge while God consistently becomes less necessary to explain the things we see and, indeed ,clarifies nothing but further muddies the waters we would investigate because there is no consensus at all on just what God entails.

Dear Mrs Chown, Ignore your son's attempts to teach you physics. Physics isn't the most important thing. Love is.
Best wishes, Richard Feynman.

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