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Author Topic:   Intelligent design. Philosophy of ignorance.
Chiroptera
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Message 16 of 301 (366347)
11-27-2006 3:22 PM
Reply to: Message 14 by Confidence
11-27-2006 3:08 PM


Fundamentalists against plain reading.
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He also uses the several verses (17) that mention God spreading the heavens like a tent, which indicate a fourth dimension besides the 3 we are used to. But also that this hints that space is really something that can be stretched bent and so forth.
Or it hints that the writer viewed the sky as a solid covering over the earth, like the other people at that time did. Which is more plausible?
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For the Bible also mentions rolling the heavens up like a scroll.
I'm not aware of any physical phenomena in General Relativity that "rolls up" space. On the other hand, if you have seen a really good storm front coming on then you get a good feeling what "rolling up the heavens" might actually mean.

Kings were put to death long before 21 January 1793. But regicides of earlier times and their followers were interested in attacking the person, not the principle, of the king. They wanted another king, and that was all. It never occurred to them that the throne could remain empty forever. -- Albert Camus

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Chiroptera
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Message 82 of 301 (368841)
12-10-2006 4:09 PM
Reply to: Message 80 by Percy
12-10-2006 1:38 PM


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"It is my understanding that the designer is God."
Well, there is nothing wrong with considering whether or not God is behind any design we see in nature. It may be possible to determine scientifically that there is evidence of design in nature. It may be possible to determine scientifically that this design is the deliberate intent of the god that is described in the Christian Bible.
The problem is that the IDers are unable to come up with a scientific test to indicate what is design and what is not. Furthermore, those who want to "prove" the existence of a god are unable to come up with a scientific method to determine who is the designer.
The real problem, which comes out in the court trials, is that the main reason people think they see design in nature is that they are being influenced by their a priori beliefs that their god has in fact designed the world around them.

Kings were put to death long before 21 January 1793. But regicides of earlier times and their followers were interested in attacking the person, not the principle, of the king. They wanted another king, and that was all. It never occurred to them that the throne could remain empty forever. -- Albert Camus

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Chiroptera
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Message 126 of 301 (369276)
12-12-2006 11:25 AM
Reply to: Message 124 by RickJB
12-12-2006 4:02 AM


Re: Deep misgivings
That is a good question. Unless we have some idea of what the designer is and what its attributes are, how do we know what to look for when we search for evidence of design?

Kings were put to death long before 21 January 1793. But regicides of earlier times and their followers were interested in attacking the person, not the principle, of the king. They wanted another king, and that was all. It never occurred to them that the throne could remain empty forever. -- Albert Camus

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Chiroptera
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Message 184 of 301 (370231)
12-16-2006 4:13 PM
Reply to: Message 183 by John 10:10
12-16-2006 3:58 PM


Hoo boy. What a time to run out of toilet paper.
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The wonderful complexity of micro and macro space is too marvelous to even consider that all of life and the universe could have come about by chance from nothing.
That is true. That is what makes natural selection such a nifty idea. It explains how known living species can come about from very simple replicating systems.
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True science has shown how a number of natural, physical and cosmological laws work in our world and universe, but true science has not come close to actually showing how matter can come from nothing and evolve itself into today's existence.
If by true science you mean the dogmatic acceptance of an ancient and historically inaccurate collection of myths and morality tales, then you are correct, it has explained almost nothing about anything.
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The Theory of Evolution has been at the center of many social and religious controversies since its inception because of its potential implications for the origins of humankind.
None of which has any bearing on its overall accuracy. To determine its accuracy, it must be compared to real data.
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Although the Theory of Evolution will always be just a theory, most evolutionists now consider it to be proven fact and teach it as such, allowing no alternate explanations to be taught in modern biology.
That's because the theory of evolution has been proven as fact, at least as much as anything in science can be proven as fact. There is no alternative explanation that holds up in the face of available evidence.
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The definition of religion is "a set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe."
That's not what Merriam-Webster says.
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I am very sorry that most at this forum cannot take the first step towards accepting the truth that intelligent design and an Intelligent Designer is the reason for our existence.
And I am very sorry for your commitment to dogmatic recieved beliefs "true science".

Never believe anything in politics until it has been officially denied. -- Otto von Bismarck

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