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Phat
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Message 46 of 48 (831354)
04-16-2018 4:08 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by Percy
09-11-2011 3:13 PM


Gary Taubes and Dr.Oz
I know that some will say that this is bad science and sensationalized, but I found this video clip quite interesting.
Gary Taubes on Dr.Oz

Gary should have emphasized good fats more, agreed with Oz regarding saturated fats, and brought up the point that being on the diet one day would not improve fat burning readings...it takes at least 3 weeks to get started.

Oz brings up a good point regarding saturated fats.

By the way, Gary now has a third book out, The Case Against Sugar

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Message 47 of 48 (831355)
04-16-2018 9:33 AM
Reply to: Message 24 by Faith
08-07-2017 8:33 AM


Re: why do we need all these special diets?
Faith writes:

I think we need a thread like this because the American diet has been CAUSING us to gain weight and have all kinds of health problems, so unfortunately we need some guidelines to get us out of the situation. We aren't getting fat just because we overeat good natural food, though that may be the case for some, we're getting fat because there's so much processed stuff out there with so many bad things in it. Even the meat we eat is full of alien substances like hormones that affect our metabolism. Read some labels on packaged things in the market, to find out how much sugar is put into all sorts of foods you wouldn't think needed it, and different forms of sugar too so you have to know what all the chemical terms mean. And then there are the long lists of completely undecipherable chemicals in some things.
There's nothing natural about this problem, at least in America. Maybe South Africa doesn't have the same problems we have. Exercise is always a good thing of course and maybe it would do it for most of us -- not me though, too many joints down to bone on bone, but there are some forms of exercise I could do with my upper body if I could get motivated.

I sometimes think about the diet my English-Scottish grandparents and their eleven offspring ate on their ranch in Canada. Was it the extremely hard work they had to do to run the place, feed the animals, milk the cows, gather the eggs, weed the garden, kill the chickens and pluck them, can it all for overwintering and so on, or was it that the food itself was natural that explains why they were so skinny and tough and lived into their eighties and nineties? Maybe both. They ate all the "bad" things including white bread they made themselves, butter they made themselves, etc etc etc. I do doubt any of them had a self-indulgent moment in their lives, too many of them, too few resources for starters.

I've been reading a lot of varied opinions on low carb vs balanced, low fat vs low carb, starches vs proteins, etc. This is my tentative conclusion:

  • One diet does not fit all. For myself, being insulin resistant, I need to lower my insulin, resensitize my cells to insulin, and balance out my overall diet.

    Perhaps for you, Faith---the plant-based approach is best. You may not have a hormonal imbalance (insulin sensitivity) problem, but rather an immune response arthritic one. The ideal combination of foods in which to restore your imbalance differs from the solution regarding mine.

  • A balanced diet is the ultimate goal. Tangle brought this up in declaring that faddish approaches are unsafe. My only comment would be that an extreme approach is often initially necessary in order to restore balance to the system.

    The problem in America diet wise is that our bodies are imbalanced. We eat too much, get too little activity, and take too many medications.


    Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. –RC Sproul
    "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." –Mark Twain "
    ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
    Paul was probably SO soaked in prayer nobody else has ever equaled him.~Faith :)

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    Message 48 of 48 (831372)
    04-16-2018 2:19 PM
    Reply to: Message 47 by Phat
    04-16-2018 9:33 AM


    Re: why do we need all these special diets?
    I suspect we don't really KNOW much of anything about diet. Once it becomes a matter of conscious attempts to manipulate it we're already in trouble because we are no longer depending on our natural life patterns or natural hunger cues for eating right.

    Any of your analyses may be right, or maybe not. I think I am insulin resistant but there are different theories about how to deal with that too. Some say a vegan diet is the cure for instance.

    Certainly the fact that modern conveniences have reduced our natural forms of exercise must have a part in all this, and as many of the videos I've been watching suggest, also the fast food industry which aims to stuff as many tasty calories as possible into a small package. These exposes also show that different parts of the food industry have been manipulating the public perception of how we should be eating for over a century by now, with heavy ad campaigns promoting such ideas as that we need more protein, bigger protein-heavy breakfasts that are also heavy on the fat, or milk, or eggs or all the different brands of processed foods touted as "healthy" for all the wrong reasons, or whatever.

    All the different diets are trying to deal with the results of these and other influences, and most of them work for weight loss at least to some extent if you stick to them, but I doubt any one of them has the full picture. And they all contradict each other. I don't think we stand a chance of figuring it all out.

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