Importance of Original Sin

Faith would argue that we all come short of the glory of God no matter how much spare change we hand out. Is this a black and white issue or is it gray?

What makes you think "the One" guards His authority in such a petty way? Sure, give your father credit for what you inherited from him, especially what you learned from him. But why blame your flaws on him?

I've always said that it's gray. Unless you give all of it, you can't be sure you gave enough. That point is made, as I have pointed out several times, in both the Old and the New Testaments.

Giving all of it seems unrealistic. How will you pay rent? How will you eat? Do you give up cable? Own no car? Never save for retirement? Or for emergencies such as health care? What about dental? Where do you draw the line? When does spare change begin and end?

You can argue with Elijah and Jesus about that. That's what I'm saying. 100% is enough, unless you're a football coach. 99% might not be enough.If you trust the guy you're having communion with, why would you have to do it all yourself anyway?

I feel like the rich young ruler...going away sad. I simply cant measure up to this commandment to give it all away. I suppose that being an atheist, you trust the socialists to take care of you when you get too old to earn anything.

As I've said many times, we can't trust your God to do it. Even you clearly don't.

I don't trust the socialists either. That's why I need to save some back for my retirement.

And there is absolutely no reason you could not do that under a Socialist Economic system.

And God might ask you at the judgement, "Why did you hold back? Why didn't you trust me to take care of you? Why did you vote against the measures that would have taken care of you?"It's gray. There's no Bang! You're Saved! and you can coast to the end. It's flat-out all the way to the finish line.

If that's what Jesus meant, that ALL of us are to give it all away, the entire Church would have known it and preached it from the beginning. It was addressed to that particular man Jesus was talking to, and to anyone else who feels the Holy Spirit calling him to that life, it is NOT for all of us.

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If that's what Jesus meant, that ALL of us are to give it all away, the entire Church would have known it and preached it from the beginning. It was addressed to that particular man Jesus was talking to, and to anyone else who feels the Holy Spirit calling him to that life, it is NOT for all of us.

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But, the first several chapters of Acts might just be saying that.About the Church.

It does seem that the later councils decided on GIVING SOME OF IT TO JERUSALEM AND JAMES but what does "remember the poor" mean in Galatians 2?Does it mean the Evyon (Poor) as in the Jewish Christians of James?Or poor people?In Galatians 1:13, Paul said he persecuted the "Church of God"At the time of Acts, everything was given to "The Church" before Paul caused a scattering.(Jesus also said to give everything to "The Poor" or "the poor" in the Gospels)Then in Acts 12:17, James seems to burst onto the scene as the leader of Jerusalem Christians.The Apostolic Council was Acts 2. (editing, 10:11 central time, to correct this to Acts 15)Galatians 2, mentions the Apostolic Council, which was about the old law, and the "remember the poor" was a decision reached (on the tithing issue?).What happened (all along and in any sequence) is murky.It seems like James and the Jerusalem community were not scattered by Paul's persecution, like the "early Church", but James became the leader of The Church after the scattering and conversion of Paul.Paul went straight to Jerusalem and visited James.The 100% of income being given to the church vanished, as far as we know, and there was simply a collection for Jerusalem.(We don't know what happened)Regardless, it seemed like more of a James & Paul idea.(Jesus had a different idea, one more akin to a 100% of income, houses, possessions, etc. being turned over to either The Church or the poor)Edited by LamarkNewAge, : No reason given.

About giving... but that's ludicrous! We are talking reality here...not some woo where coins appear in fishes mouths or gold appears in one's pocket. The fact is that everyone needs a certain amount of income or wealth to live in this world and to trade for food, clothing, and shelter! I agree with Faith in that the message is not for each and every Christian. Even jar says that under socialism there is a way to save for retirement. You cant retire if you've given everything you own away.

There are some pretty solid arguments denouncing salvation by works alone.