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GDR
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Message 1171 of 1196 (842136)
10-27-2018 2:13 AM
Reply to: Message 1170 by Faith
10-26-2018 9:27 PM


Re: This is how it is supposed to be interpreted
We've gone through this before so I didn't see the necessity of posting the details again. Here is an example from Matthew 24.
quote:
1 Jesus left the temple and was walking away when his disciples came up to him to call his attention to its buildings. 2 Do you see all these things? he asked. Truly I tell you, not one stone here will be left on another; every one will be thrown down. 3 As Jesus was sitting on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to him privately. Tell us, they said, when will this happen, and what will be the sign of your coming and of the end of the age? 4 Jesus answered: Watch out that no one deceives you. 5 For many will come in my name, claiming, I am the Messiah, and will deceive many. 6 You will hear of wars and rumors of wars, but see to it that you are not alarmed. Such things must happen, but the end is still to come. 7 Nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. There will be famines and earthquakes in various places. 8 All these are the beginning of birth pains. 9 Then you will be handed over to be persecuted and put to death, and you will be hated by all nations because of me. 10 At that time many will turn away from the faith and will betray and hate each other, 11 and many false prophets will appear and deceive many people. 12 Because of the increase of wickedness, the love of most will grow cold, 13 but the one who stands firm to the end will be saved. 14 And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in the whole world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come. 15 So when you see standing in the holy place the abomination that causes desolation,spoken of through the prophet Daniellet the reader understand 16 then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains. 17 Let no one on the housetop go down to take anything out of the house. 18 Let no one in the field go back to get their cloak. 19 How dreadful it will be in those days for pregnant women and nursing mothers! 20 Pray that your flight will not take place in winter or on the Sabbath. 21 For then there will be great distress, unequaled from the beginning of the world until nowand never to be equaled again. 22 If those days had not been cut short, no one would survive, but for the sake of the elect those days will be shortened.

Edited by GDR, : No reason given.


He has told you, O man, what is good ; And what does the LORD require of you But to do justice, to love kindness, And to walk humbly with your God.

Micah 6:8


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ringo
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Message 1172 of 1196 (842147)
10-27-2018 11:35 AM
Reply to: Message 1165 by Faith
10-26-2018 5:05 PM


Re: Tangles Basic Belief
Faith writes:

By their doctrines.


Funny, Jesus said, "By their fruits ye shall know them." (Matthew 7:16-20)

And our geese will blot out the sun.

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Faith
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Message 1173 of 1196 (842164)
10-27-2018 2:48 PM
Reply to: Message 1172 by ringo
10-27-2018 11:35 AM


Re: Tangles Basic Belief
OK, how about by their suicide bombings and their other jihad killings? But the point is it follows from their doctrines.
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Faith
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Message 1174 of 1196 (842166)
10-27-2018 2:55 PM
Reply to: Message 1171 by GDR
10-27-2018 2:13 AM


Re: This is how it is supposed to be interpreted
You've said absolutely nothing GDR to indicate what YOU think the paragraph means. You have to make your case, I can't read your mind.
But I'm beyond caring at this point after this kind of foolery from you.

Specific stuff about the temple is specific stuff about the temple and it was far more about the fact that it ended the sacrificial system forever because Jesus our Sacrifice had come, than it was a political event.

Edited by Faith, : No reason given.


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ringo
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Message 1175 of 1196 (842176)
10-27-2018 3:25 PM
Reply to: Message 1173 by Faith
10-27-2018 2:48 PM


Re: Tangles Basic Belief
Faith writes:

OK, how about by their suicide bombings and their other jihad killings? But the point is it follows from their doctrines


How about your treatment of homosexuals?

And our geese will blot out the sun.

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Faith
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Message 1176 of 1196 (842177)
10-27-2018 3:27 PM
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10-27-2018 3:25 PM


Re: Tangles Basic Belief
I don't "treat" homosexuals any differently than I treat anyone else.
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ringo
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Message 1177 of 1196 (842241)
10-28-2018 2:07 PM
Reply to: Message 1176 by Faith
10-27-2018 3:27 PM


Re: Tangles Basic Belief
Faith writes:

I don't "treat" homosexuals any differently than I treat anyone else.


Of course you do. You want to deny them marriage. That isn't loving your neighbour as yourself.

And our geese will blot out the sun.

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Faith
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Message 1178 of 1196 (842254)
10-28-2018 3:45 PM
Reply to: Message 1177 by ringo
10-28-2018 2:07 PM


Re: Tangles Basic Belief
Yes it is.
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ringo
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Message 1179 of 1196 (842256)
10-28-2018 3:49 PM
Reply to: Message 1178 by Faith
10-28-2018 3:45 PM


Re: Tangles Basic Belief
Faith writes:

Yes it is.


No it isn't. Consider the Good Samaritan. He helped his neighbour even though his neighbour's beliefs conflicted with his own.

And our geese will blot out the sun.

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Faith
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Message 1180 of 1196 (842261)
10-28-2018 4:15 PM
Reply to: Message 1179 by ringo
10-28-2018 3:49 PM


Re: Tangles Basic Belief
I oppose gay marriage, period. Got nothing to do with anybody's beliefs and if I find a gay person bleeding in the gutter, whether delusionally "married" or not, I will help him.

Edited by Faith, : No reason given.


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ringo
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Message 1181 of 1196 (842269)
10-28-2018 4:52 PM
Reply to: Message 1180 by Faith
10-28-2018 4:15 PM


Re: Tangles Basic Belief
Faith writes:

I oppose gay marriage, period. Got nothing to do with anybody's beliefs...


It has to do with your beliefs. You've stated more than once that you're willing to defy the law because of your belief that homosexuality is wrong.

Faith writes:

... if I find a gay person bleeding in the gutter, whether delusionally "married" or not, I will help him.


Loving your neighbour as yourself doesn't stop at emergency services. If you want to get to church, you will help your neighbour get to mosque - or to his gay wedding.

And our geese will blot out the sun.

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Faith
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Message 1182 of 1196 (842287)
10-29-2018 4:26 AM
Reply to: Message 1181 by ringo
10-28-2018 4:52 PM


Re: Tangles Basic Belief
It has to do with your beliefs. You've stated more than once that you're willing to defy the law because of your belief that homosexuality is wrong.

I don't recall that. All I've said as far as I know is that if I am forced to do anything that validates gay marriage I won't do it. That is what the businesspeople who have been legally challenged did. It's about gay marriage.

As far as I know there isn't yet a legal challenge requiring anyonee to validate homosexuality as a normal sexual alternative, but if that did happen CHristians would have to disobey it, yes. Because it isn't a normal sexual variation, it's sin.

... if I find a gay person bleeding in the gutter, whether delusionally "married" or not, I will help him.

Loving your neighbour as yourself doesn't stop at emergency services. If you want to get to church, you will help your neighbour get to mosque - or to his gay wedding.

As described I don't see it as a disobedience of God but if because of some circumstance it is such a disobedience I won't do it. I will certainly not obey your perverted definition of love of neighbor, however.

Edited by Faith, : No reason given.


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ringo
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Message 1183 of 1196 (842309)
10-29-2018 11:38 AM
Reply to: Message 1182 by Faith
10-29-2018 4:26 AM


Re: Tangles Basic Belief
Faith writes:

All I've said as far as I know is that if I am forced to do anything that validates gay marriage I won't do it.


That's what I said. You're willing to defy the law.

Faith writes:

As far as I know there isn't yet a legal challenge requiring anyonee to validate homosexuality as a normal sexual alternative....


That's right. Baking a cake doesn't "validate" anything but cake.

Faith writes:

I will certainly not obey your perverted definition of love of neighbor, however.


There's nothing "perverted" about it. It's in the story of the Good Samaritan.

And our geese will blot out the sun.

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Faith
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Message 1184 of 1196 (842323)
10-29-2018 2:47 PM
Reply to: Message 1183 by ringo
10-29-2018 11:38 AM


Re: Tangles Basic Belief
Yes I'm willing to defy the law when it defies God.
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ringo
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Message 1185 of 1196 (842330)
10-29-2018 3:31 PM
Reply to: Message 1184 by Faith
10-29-2018 2:47 PM


Re: Tangles Basic Belief
Faith writes:

Yes I'm willing to defy the law when it defies God.


quote:
Romans 13:1-4 Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God. Whosoever therefore resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God: and they that resist shall receive to themselves damnation. For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to the evil. Wilt thou then not be afraid of the power? do that which is good, and thou shalt have praise of the same: For he is the minister of God to thee for good. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is the minister of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil.

And our geese will blot out the sun.

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