Anyone else here in the post-PC era?

I replaced an early (and failing) netbook with an iPad2, and I use it for a number of things, including reading - and even posting - here.The keyboard is usable, the selection and cut-and-paste mechanisms work (although not as easily as keyboard/mouse).In short it pretty much does what I want for a secondary computer in a smaller and lighter package with much better battery life - and a better screen (current netbooks aren't far behind in battery life, but mine was an older model).The games aren't bad either. If you're into board/card game adaptions, the iPad may be one of the better platforms around.

You're entitled to your personal opinions, but when you say that the Mac's "processor sux" it's hard to avoid the conclusion that you don't know what you are talking about. What processor do you think Apple should be using ? Sparc ? Power 5 ? Itanium ?

So, you're evading the question. Let's try it again, then. If Intel's latest chips aren't good enough, then what is ?

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I may have evaded the question but you are evading the whole thread and topic. by evading your attempted thread jacking I am actually staying on topic.

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You chose to start on Macs, rather than tablets: "Mac". Not "iPad" or "Apple" or "tablet". "Mac".

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intel doesn't make chip for the products that are relevant to this topic. Intel makes the chips for the tabletop and notebook Mac computers, i

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In other words, Intel makes the chips in every current Mac. Every new "Mac product" coming off the assembly line.On the tablet side, the Apple-designed A5 chip in the iPad2 is a match for the nVidia Tegra 2 chips used in Android 3 tablets. Both are dual-core ARM Cortex A9 designs, running at very similar clockspeeds. Only the Apple chip has a more powerful graphics engine built in. Looks to me as if the Apple chip is at least as good as those that the competition is using.

Although there was a time when things were very different (especially in Europe - back before I got my first Mac) Apple prices for the base machines aren't usually that bad - given what you get. Add-ons, even extra memory, ARE often unreasonably expensive - and building your own will always be cheaper than going to any major manufacturer.This is even more true with tablets. Nobody seems able to offer to undercut Apple by much without going for a cheaper build. Asus went for a plastic shell for the Transformer - and that's the only major Android 3 tablet that I know of that started off cheaper than the iPad.

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you are taking me out of context, I was talking to Catholic Scientist about the users of the handheld and a tablets, and then you jumped in with something off the wall.

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In fact that is not true. Catholic Scientist talked about tablets being easier to use, and suggested that easier to use products had a place, and you decided to respond by trashing "Mac products". So why would I assume that you are talking about tablets in general when even Apple's tablets aren't called "Mac"s ?

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ahh FINALLY. apple generally has better graphics processing across the board, but that is about it. Not that it really matters, all the tablets suck, I am not an Android fanboy either.

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Let's say that perfectly adequate performance, matching that of the major competitors doesn't seem to merit the label "sux". I'm quite happy to accept reasonable criticisms of Apple, like the extortionate prices they charge for memory upgrades. It is the hate that I object to.

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When I read where they wrote "these Mac products", I assumed they were talking about the post-PC products that we were discussing, and continued typing about the iPhone.

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Maybe you assumed that but it's hard to claim that it is clear from the context. It's very hard to read it as referring to tablets in general.

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If you assume that 'Mac' was short for Macintosh and then search for a list of "Macintosh Products", you will find that the iPhone/Pod/Pad are included as a part of them.

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I tried that and I didn't - at least not on the first page of search results. Sure Apple's pages include references to iPads and iPods, but they don't call them "Macintosh Products". Amazon don't seem to include iPads and iPods as "Macintosh Products" . Microsoft Office doesn't even run on iPads, and that's at number 6 on the list I see...And you certainly didn't mention finding any references to Android tablets, or the HP or Blackberry tablets either.

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You assumed he was talking about Mac's as in their personal computer line, but this topic is about non-PC products so it makes sense that they're not talking about those.

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Since your comment about "easy to use products" could be construed more generally, it's not going that far off topic. And when we see that sort of bashing a strict adherence to the topic is hardly guaranteed.

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Look genius, its called communication

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Which is helped by knowing and using correct terminology.Anyway, let me point out that an real Apple fanboy would be bashing opposing products, and at least making excuses for Apples faults rather than drawing attention to faults which weren't even part of the conversation.Also, might I suggest that checking out an opposing claim and finding it false is hardly a sign of desperation. Making false claims - and then trying to defend them on the other hand...

Just keep fooling yourself...At least I'm not foolish enough to think that if something is useless to me, it cannot be useful to anyone else. My desktop system doesn't need an upgrade, and no upgrade could make it useful for the things that I use my iPad for. That requires portability and mobility which simply can't be added to a full size tower system. A MacBook Air would be far closer, but that costs more and there are still things it won't do as well. Engineering is the art of compromise, and the compromises that go into a tablet, a laptop and a desktop and a smartphone are all different. For me, the desktop, a tablet and a 2G mobile phone cover what I want to do. Other people will prefer different combinations. And - this is the point you don't get - the point is not to look for some objectively best combination because there isn't one. You look for the one that is right for you.

Jacqui Cheng writes about spending a day working on an iPad

Do you have to get Snow Leopard first ? I know that you need it for the download store, but Apple are planning to sell Lion on a USB drive. Might that be a better option?

Usually it has been possible to skip a version. Lion may be the exception.

Looking around the tech websites it seems that problems updating to iOS5 are due to the load on Apple's servers. My advice is to hold off from updating for a little while until the load is reduced.From an Apple support page: The error most commonly reported: If you are using a Mac and you get error 3004 instead, and if you are sure that there is nothing in your setup preventing communication with gs.apple.com there is something else that can be tried - see the linked page for details.Jar, Zune is Microsoft's attempt to produce an iPod-like music player. Which they recently killed.

The Nexus One will not be getting Android 4. So there's your fair comparison.But whether it really is fair, depends on the purpose of the comparison. From the point of view of which is better for the buyer - where the reasons for lesser support or assigning responsibility for it don't matter - the comparison as given is the only one that matters.

Did you read it in context ?It matters to the people buying Android phones. What good is it to you if someone who bought a Nexus S gets good support if you don't ?That's why the comparison as given is good for the customer. It gives you some basis for working out how much support you can reasonably hope for.