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Huntard
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Message 406 of 429 (639187)
10-28-2011 3:43 PM
Reply to: Message 405 by crashfrog
10-28-2011 3:37 PM


Re: And another thing
I must have missed that. Care to poimt it out?
Not saying it isn't there, just that I don't remember reading it.

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crashfrog
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Message 407 of 429 (639191)
10-28-2011 4:10 PM
Reply to: Message 406 by Huntard
10-28-2011 3:43 PM


Re: And another thing
Care to poimt it out?
The link is under the table.
I don't say "go read it" as a gotcha, it was actually a really interesting article.

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hooah212002
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Message 408 of 429 (639206)
10-28-2011 7:44 PM
Reply to: Message 399 by crashfrog
10-27-2011 5:35 PM


Re: iPhone vs Android legacy support
I just purchased another phone (HTC Thunderbolt) today. I have been shopping for some time now because my fiance hates her phone (my old Droid X. I hate it too, so I can't blame her) and wants mine (HTC Incredible). She is less inclined to give a rats ass about a smart phone and would be happy with a dumb phone, but I couldn't justify wasting my upgrade on one. At one point I contemplated getting an iPhone. But then I thought to myself: "don't you want to be able to customize it and not have to have your phone look exactly like the millions of other iPhones out there???". Decision made.
My adventure that was my decision making process HAS, admittedly, been plagued with support issues. I was tossed up between a Droid Charge and a Thunderbolt. The deciding factor, in the end, ended up being which phone has more Dev support. This does actually stem from when these devices see OTA upgrades.
Now, myself being fairly hip on the Android community and Dev opinions, I can assuredly say that this matter is not one that comes at a fault of Android. Google decided to give consumers the ability to choose their carrier, their manufacturer and their phone. I think carriers/manufacterers need to seriously reconsider the amount of phones they are putting out so as to not flood the market so much. With each new iPhone that comes out, Apple is almost guaranteed to make sales because fanbois want their new shiny iPhone. Android users are much more reserved, IMO.
Android is an OS that works on smartphones.
iOS works on iPhones.
Android is available on numerous devices on numerous (all??) carriers.
iPhones? are available on ....... Verizon, AT&T and Sprint.....
So, we have Android being available to far more people in far more categories and iPhones available to those who can afford it. Can you even get an iPhone on pre-pay?
If you want to say Google is "wrong" for giving consumers choices, that's your opinion. If you want to say Apple is "right" or "better" for NOT having choices, that's your opinion. Now go drink your apple flavored kool-aid.
I think I'll put another ROM on my phone now.....You?

"Why don't you call upon your God to strike me? Oh, I forgot it's because he's fake like Thor, so bite me" -Greydon Square

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Huntard
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Message 409 of 429 (639211)
10-28-2011 8:01 PM
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10-28-2011 4:10 PM


Re: And another thing
crashfrog writes:
The link is under the table.
I know. I read it.
I don't say "go read it" as a gotcha, it was actually a really interesting article.
Oh no, I.know. I was just askin, cause I did read it, and ai couldn't recall anythig like it. I'll check it again tomorrow.

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hooah212002
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Message 410 of 429 (639213)
10-28-2011 8:09 PM
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10-28-2011 8:01 PM


Re: And another thing
article writes:
Finally, it’s worth noting that people outside the US have often had it even worse. For example, the Nexus One didn’t go on sale in Europe until 5 months after the US, the Droid/Milestone FroYo update happened over 7 months later there, and the Cliq never got updated at all outside of the US.

"Why don't you call upon your God to strike me? Oh, I forgot it's because he's fake like Thor, so bite me" -Greydon Square

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crashfrog
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Message 411 of 429 (639221)
10-28-2011 10:32 PM
Reply to: Message 408 by hooah212002
10-28-2011 7:44 PM


Re: iPhone vs Android legacy support
Hooah, I don't have any problems with whatever phone you want to use. And I think app investment counts for a lot. I'll stay on the iPhone because I have dozens of apps for that platform. You probably have a bunch for yours.
It's honestly fine with me. Stick with what you like! And thanks for adding your perspective.

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NoNukes
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Message 412 of 429 (639291)
10-30-2011 1:10 AM
Reply to: Message 388 by crashfrog
10-27-2011 3:11 PM


Re: iPhone vs Android legacy support
I don't understand your legacy support chart. I have a first generation iPod touch. I cannot update the thing past iOS version 3.1.3, and I believe the same can be said of the first generation iPhone and the 2nd generation iPod.
The iPhone 3G can be upgraded to iOS 4, but from what I can tell, people who do upgrade aren't all that pleased with how the thing performs.
At the current time iOS 5 has been released. I believe iOS 4 was the current version at the time the chart was released. Your chart seems to indicate that all of the iPhones can run the current major version. That's simply not true.

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PaulK
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Message 413 of 429 (639297)
10-30-2011 4:52 AM
Reply to: Message 412 by NoNukes
10-30-2011 1:10 AM


Re: iPhone vs Android legacy support
If you read the chart you will see that it only covers the first 3 years after release.

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crashfrog
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Message 414 of 429 (639324)
10-30-2011 12:29 PM
Reply to: Message 412 by NoNukes
10-30-2011 1:10 AM


Re: iPhone vs Android legacy support
Just to elaborate on PaulK, here; the notion of this table is "how long am I stuck with a phone that isn't getting updates?" Remember that these phones are being sold on contract, so replacement is a very expensive proposition at least until the two or three years of your contract is up.
So iPod Touch's aren't going to be on the table because they're not sold on contract (and are not cell phones.) And the table is only going as far as three years after release because that's probably the longest-case operating scenario - the phone sits on a shelf for a year, then you buy it on a two-year contract.
The table isn't about support over long-term ownership, it's about support over the most plausible shortest-term ownership - the two years before your contract expires and you can get a new phone. That's why the prices on the table are the subsidized contract prices.

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NoNukes
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Message 415 of 429 (639334)
10-30-2011 1:36 PM
Reply to: Message 414 by crashfrog
10-30-2011 12:29 PM


Re: iPhone vs Android legacy support
Thanks PaulK and crashfrog. I missed the fact that chart is about years since purchase.
The chart doesn't reflect how I buy stuff. It assumes that I'm going to replace a 400-500 dollar phone every two to three years and I don't do that. Given that I'm using a laptop that's way older than that, and that I'm still using a first generation iPod, I find it more reasonable to look at longer term support.
Even by measures I value, Apple's legacy support is way better than we find on the majority of Android phones, many of which cannot receive upgrades that are available while the phone is still on sale. Even that first generation iPhone and iPod are locked out of further upgrades for purely technical reasons.

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Taz
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Message 416 of 429 (655107)
03-07-2012 11:44 AM


Can your ipad do this?
This is the reason why I went with the android tablet.
1080p movie top left. Windowed web browser bottom left. Music album top right. Excel spreadsheet bottom right.

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crashfrog
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Message 417 of 429 (655176)
03-08-2012 9:08 AM
Reply to: Message 416 by Taz
03-07-2012 11:44 AM


Re: Can your ipad do this?
Should I be bothered that a device doesn't do that, for some reason? How much Excel editing can you really do in a window the size of a playing card?

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Taz
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Message 418 of 429 (655182)
03-08-2012 12:39 PM
Reply to: Message 417 by crashfrog
03-08-2012 9:08 AM


Re: Can your ipad do this?
As always, you completely missed my point. I can make the excel window full size. I can make it so there's only 2 windows so that I can do some editing on one side while looking up my references on the other side. I can also have floating windows where I can resize, move around, or minimize at will.
You seem to have trouble understanding the power of choice, something that you iOS users have been deprived of since the beginning and so can't see the significance in it.
My tablet isn't a media consumption device. My $250 tablet is used for netflix, work, presentation, internet, 1080p movies on my big screen tv, etc. Your $500 tablet is only good for media consumption.
And yeah, I have an hdmi port, micro sdcard port, regular size sdcard port, and 2 usb ports built into my device. You have to go through itunes for everything you do. Absolutely zero ports. But wait, its got an apple brand on there, so it must be better than everything else...

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Theodoric
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Message 419 of 429 (655211)
03-08-2012 5:40 PM
Reply to: Message 418 by Taz
03-08-2012 12:39 PM


Re: Can your ipad do this?
Since I have no pressing need for a tablet, I am going to wait for the Win 8 tablets to come out so I can decide which has the best features. I really hop it will be more PC like and not tie me one company(Apple, Itunes, Google, Android)
Google, like Apple has huge privacy issues and huge corporate responsibility issues. Maybe MS isn't much better but they are better on those issues and I have already sold my soul to that devil. No need to sell my soul to another devil if I don't have to.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

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crashfrog
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Message 420 of 429 (655234)
03-08-2012 8:23 PM
Reply to: Message 418 by Taz
03-08-2012 12:39 PM


Re: Can your ipad do this?
I can make the excel window full size. I can make it so there's only 2 windows so that I can do some editing on one side while looking up my references on the other side. I can also have floating windows where I can resize, move around, or minimize at will.
You seem to have trouble understanding the power of choice
Sure, I'm having trouble understanding the "power" of having choices about window size on a device whose screen makes it impractical to do much work at anything smaller than full-screen. Sure, it's more flexible. I'm not dissing your device and I'm wondering why you feel like you have to trash "my" iPad. I don't even own one, you know that, right?
I didn't "miss your point", I asked you a question - why should I be concerned about a 9 inch tablet where I can't resize windows? I can do that on my computer. Oh, but great, you can resize windows all morning long in a coffeehouse. Ok, but why on Earth should I care? The point you're missing is that not all interface concepts are appropriate or useful on tablets. That's why tablet computing was such a niche market before the iPad, and now it seems like a tablet are the must-have consumer electronics. That's why I just can't bring myself to give a shit about whether the iPad has resizable windows - I can't possibly see the point.
My tablet isn't a media consumption device. My $250 tablet is used for netflix, work, presentation, internet, 1080p movies on my big screen tv, etc.
"My tablet is no media consumption device! I use it for media consumption, media consumption, media consumption, media consumption, etc." Sorry, Taz, but you sound like you have no idea what "media consumption" means.
And yeah, I have an hdmi port, micro sdcard port, regular size sdcard port, and 2 usb ports built into my device.
Well, again. Why should I be concerned that iPads don't have that? You're so obsessed with hardware that you're not thinking about capabilities. The ASUS Transformer is a hot little tablet. I'm glad you like it. Why on Earth is it so important for you to attack me personally about a tablet I don't even own?

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