You're absolutely right; we're working with epistemology. Which is why the worn out classical definition of:
Knowledge is justifiable true belief.
... doesn't fly.
Which is why I followed that by saying
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It is of course then a question of whether or not a belief is 'justified' or 'true'.
If truth were required for something to be considered knowledge, then it would be difficult for us to ever say we know anything, as the truth of what we 'know' could easily change, at which point we'd have to rewrite our history declaring that we did not know something but only believed it.
Well we could set up
Criteria of truth as a means to resolving the 'what is truth?' question. But yes, we could hold knowledge which turns out to be false. This is a pitfall, but its one we're stuck with if we're going to have such a thing as knowledge at all.
But this isn't how the world spins. And, as you've brought up the usage of the term by regular speakers of the language, it isn't how most people use the word knowledge. In general, something is knowledge if it meets the criteria of being knowledge as defined in a given epistemology
I doubt most people would talk about criteria of epistemology, but your point still misses the mark: Your everyday users are using 'knowledge' to mean the same thing I was doing. If you think there is a difference it's because you misunderstood my point.
In order for something to be knowledge it has to be true. In order for us to label something as knowledge we have to believe it is true and have good reason to be highly confident that it is true. We might label something as knowledge that later turns out to be false. In which case we didn't know the thing previously, we mistakenly thought we knew it.
I know my pizza will be $11.89; it matters not if they screw up and only charge me $9.89 as this doesn't change that I knew something five minutes agoeven if it turned out I was wrong.
Or maybe you misremembered the price. But you can still say 'know' if you can justify that knowledge and have good reason to suppose it is true.
Truth absolutely must be removed from the equation, or we end up in the paradox of having to rewrite the past to change our report of previous mental states, claiming we only believed what we actually knewwe were actually sad, not angry.
Almost everybody agrees that a belief has to be true in order for it to be classified as knowledge. And yes, it does mean that we can be wrong about what is knowledge. But the possibility of being wrong, and correcting ourselves doesn't mean we have to rewrite the past and it is not paradoxical. It is an error, it got corrected.
I understand where you are trying to aim there, but it is not a real life concern. It might be of concern to epistemologists but most of them ascribe to some kind of principle of
fallibilism these days as far as I can tell.
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I know where my keys are. Oh wait, no I don't.
No problems there. We don't have to rewrite my words and there is no paradox. There is a misidentification of knowledge that is corrected. We thought it was knowledge, but it transpired it wasn't. No big deal.
We thought we knew there were 9 planets in our solar system, but recent observations have shown that there are either more or less, depending on how we define such things.
This is why it is very easy for scientists to possess knowledge: they simply have to define what it is they are going to consider knowledge, and then set out finding stuff that jives with that definition.
Exactly my point. And they know they can still be wrong with that claimed knowledge. There is a built in tentativity to scientific knowledge, and the knowledge 'used by the man on the street'. There is no need for 100% certainty, no claims to access absolute truths.