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Author Topic:   Peanut Gallery - What variety of creationist is Buzsaw? (Minnemooseus and Buzsaw)
DrJones*
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Message 5 of 48 (634779)
09-23-2011 10:36 PM
Reply to: Message 4 by Panda
09-23-2011 9:20 PM


Re: Not circular.
Hopefully Buzsaw will see this and adjust his understanding. *crosses fingers*
Don't hold your breath. My prediction: Buz will hand wave away all of the radiometric methods of dating by saying "you don't know what the world was like pre-flood, therefore all the dating methods are wrong" without ever explaining what conditions would exist to cause all the dating methods to be incorrect but also in agreement with each other.
edit:
and here it is
The literal Genesis global floodist paradigm does not advocate for uniformitarianism. Since the Genesis account clearly depicts a canopy atmosphere before the flood, cosmic rays from the sun, etc would have affected the isotopes of all of the elements which conventionalists apply for dating the strata.
Edited by DrJones*, : No reason given.
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God separated the races and attempting to mix them is like attempting to mix water with diesel fuel.- Buzsaw Message 177
It's not enough to bash in heads, you've got to bash in minds
soon I discovered that this rock thing was true
Jerry Lee Lewis was the devil
Jesus was an architect previous to his career as a prophet
All of a sudden i found myself in love with the world
And so there was only one thing I could do
Was ding a ding dang my dang along ling long - Jesus Built my Hotrod Ministry
Live every week like it's Shark Week! - Tracey Jordan
Just a monkey in a long line of kings. - Matthew Good
If "elitist" just means "not the dumbest motherfucker in the room", I'll be an elitist! - Get Your War On
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DrJones*
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Message 26 of 48 (639276)
10-29-2011 8:47 PM


dishonest debating by Buz
Buz quotes JonF's post:
Formation of sedimentary rocks can be thought of as somewhat analogous to assembling a wall, and that's why we don't do radiometric dates on sedimentary rocks (except for a few cases in which we date the "mortar" that holds the grains together).
But then claims:
Jon now admits that radiometrical dating is seldom used in strata.
which is quite obviously not what JonF said.

God separated the races and attempting to mix them is like attempting to mix water with diesel fuel.- Buzsaw Message 177
It's not enough to bash in heads, you've got to bash in minds
soon I discovered that this rock thing was true
Jerry Lee Lewis was the devil
Jesus was an architect previous to his career as a prophet
All of a sudden i found myself in love with the world
And so there was only one thing I could do
Was ding a ding dang my dang along ling long - Jesus Built my Hotrod Ministry
Live every week like it's Shark Week! - Tracey Jordan
Just a monkey in a long line of kings. - Matthew Good
If "elitist" just means "not the dumbest motherfucker in the room", I'll be an elitist! - Get Your War On
*not an actual doctor

  
DrJones*
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Message 41 of 48 (642353)
11-27-2011 11:25 PM


Buz and dating
Put another way, doesn't the age of the fossil in the sedimentary strata play a role in dating the time the igneous was deposited, being the instrument would be unable, in itself, to date the old material making up the igneous strata deposited?
No Buz as has been explained to you multiple times, the igneous layers are dated directly using the various radiometric dating methods.

God separated the races and attempting to mix them is like attempting to mix water with diesel fuel.- Buzsaw Message 177
It's not enough to bash in heads, you've got to bash in minds
soon I discovered that this rock thing was true
Jerry Lee Lewis was the devil
Jesus was an architect previous to his career as a prophet
All of a sudden i found myself in love with the world
And so there was only one thing I could do
Was ding a ding dang my dang along ling long - Jesus Built my Hotrod Ministry
Live every week like it's Shark Week! - Tracey Jordan
Just a monkey in a long line of kings. - Matthew Good
If "elitist" just means "not the dumbest motherfucker in the room", I'll be an elitist! - Get Your War On
*not an actual doctor

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DrJones*
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Message 44 of 48 (642390)
11-28-2011 10:16 AM


Buz and Dating yet again
Secondly, their direct dating methodology directly dates the materials making up igneous rock which are, indeed, old, being unable in itself of determining when the strata was deposited...
Not true. The various radiometric dating methods produce the age of the igneous layers measured from the time that they were deposited.

God separated the races and attempting to mix them is like attempting to mix water with diesel fuel.- Buzsaw Message 177
It's not enough to bash in heads, you've got to bash in minds
soon I discovered that this rock thing was true
Jerry Lee Lewis was the devil
Jesus was an architect previous to his career as a prophet
All of a sudden i found myself in love with the world
And so there was only one thing I could do
Was ding a ding dang my dang along ling long - Jesus Built my Hotrod Ministry
Live every week like it's Shark Week! - Tracey Jordan
Just a monkey in a long line of kings. - Matthew Good
If "elitist" just means "not the dumbest motherfucker in the room", I'll be an elitist! - Get Your War On
*not an actual doctor

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DrJones*
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Message 47 of 48 (642427)
11-28-2011 5:27 PM


to reply to Buz's complaint in the moderation thread
Buz alleges a circular argument in regards to dating and the use of index fossils. Here is my understanding of the use of index fossils.
1. Fossils are usually found in sedimentary layers.
2. These layers usually can't be dated by the various radiometric dating methods
3. These layers can usually be found between igneous layers
4. Igneous layers can be dated by the various radiometric methods.
5. these methods measure the amount of time since the igneous layer was deposited.
6. With the age of the igneous layers determined we can then determine that the age of the sedimentary layer between the two igneous layers is between the age of the igneous layers.
7. The age of the fossil in the sedimentary layer is therefore at least the same age as the sedimentary layer that it is found in.
8. If we consistently find a certain fossil organism in sedimentary layers that we can assign an age range to by the dating of igneous layers we can then reasonably assign that same age range to any sedimentary layer with that fossil organism in it.
no circular argument.

God separated the races and attempting to mix them is like attempting to mix water with diesel fuel.- Buzsaw Message 177
It's not enough to bash in heads, you've got to bash in minds
soon I discovered that this rock thing was true
Jerry Lee Lewis was the devil
Jesus was an architect previous to his career as a prophet
All of a sudden i found myself in love with the world
And so there was only one thing I could do
Was ding a ding dang my dang along ling long - Jesus Built my Hotrod Ministry
Live every week like it's Shark Week! - Tracey Jordan
Just a monkey in a long line of kings. - Matthew Good
If "elitist" just means "not the dumbest motherfucker in the room", I'll be an elitist! - Get Your War On
*not an actual doctor

  
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