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Author Topic:   Einstein is rolling over in His Grave, or Cern makes a big mistake
Omnivorous
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Message 17 of 74 (634766)
09-23-2011 8:53 PM
Reply to: Message 5 by RAZD
09-22-2011 9:54 PM


Either way a win for science
Zen Deist writes:
It's not a major con-Cern, but I agree that the caution and the request for independent verification is the proper course to take.
We'll either learn something profoundly new about physics or something important about methodology and/or instrumentation.
Most likely, CERN made an extremely subtle mistake in one of those areas. Finding a new error is an important contribution.
I'm pleased they didn't just file it away rather than risk the embarrassment.

"If you can keep your head while those around you are losing theirs, you can collect a lot of heads."

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Message 51 of 74 (637915)
10-18-2011 6:57 PM
Reply to: Message 50 by DWIII
10-16-2011 6:33 PM


Re: Physics Saved!
I share your skepticism about the GPS/frame of reference explanation for the FTL neutrino finding--not that I know anything about it.
But I did see a summary of the original paper reporting the apparent FTL finding. It tells me that the two timing units were synchronized and calibrated at the Swiss Meterology Institute, then moved to CERN and LNGS. A third device was then set and moved back and forth to assure no discrepancy had developed.
So the orbiting satellites relative to the departure and arrival locations appear to be irrelevant, so far as I can see. The timing was done at the sites with exquisitely calibrated devices, not with live GPS signals.

"If you can keep your head while those around you are losing theirs, you can collect a lot of heads."

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