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frako
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Message 301 of 602 (638949)
10-27-2011 6:23 AM
Reply to: Message 299 by Panda
10-27-2011 5:52 AM


Re: A Few Facts
So, to spell it out, in the UK:
Employers will give employees weeks off from work.
Employees are allowed to spend their all of their time off (24/7) at protest rallies.
Employees are allowed to use their earnings to support themselves while at protest rallies.
From what iv seen on shows that like overhauling, or anything simmilar, the americans reading this are going
Wtf weeks off from work u call that getting fired or something
Wtf is time off when do you sleep?
Wtf u can support yourself from one job for weeks doing nothing u evil socialistic communist capitalism is the way to go live the American dream.

Christianity, One woman's lie about an affair that got seriously out of hand

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Panda
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Message 302 of 602 (638956)
10-27-2011 8:45 AM
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10-27-2011 6:23 AM


Re: A Few Facts
frako writes:
Wtf weeks off from work u call that getting fired or something
Buzsaw has 'cheered' your reply - have I misunderstood something?
Aren't Americans entitled to annual leave?
In the UK we are legally entitled to 28 days off from work each year.
Do Americans not get holidays?

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And I wish that I were you
All the things I'd do
To make myself turn blue

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jar
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Message 303 of 602 (638971)
10-27-2011 10:06 AM
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10-27-2011 8:45 AM


vacation and time off
Actually, there is no legal requirement for any time off in the US with the exception of some medical based ones such as maternity leave.
There are Federal Holidays, eight days a year IIRC, but no requirement that someone gets off work.
Vacation time is based on a company by company system and only available where the company either offers it as an employee benefit or it is required through a union contract.
Edited by jar, : Fix subtitle appalin spallin

Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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Larni
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Message 304 of 602 (638973)
10-27-2011 10:11 AM
Reply to: Message 231 by Dr Adequate
10-20-2011 10:01 AM


I tried to read your link but I got a nose bleed.
But what happens instead is that if I suggest in the mildest tones that maybe we could try to fight against disease the same way we fought against Saddam Hussein and his imaginary WMDs, then the conservative will denounce me as an un-American Marxist. But my solution to disease is exactly the same as his solution to the imaginary WMDs --- I say, let the government do it. The only difference is that I want to tackle a real problem that actually kills Americans rather than an imaginary problem that someone made up.
I've nothing to add but, this is a really good post.
Edited by Larni, : No reason given.

The above ontological example models the zero premise to BB theory. It does so by applying the relative uniformity assumption that the alleged zero event eventually ontologically progressed from the compressed alleged sub-microscopic chaos to bloom/expand into all of the present observable order, more than it models the Biblical record evidence for the existence of Jehovah, the maximal Biblical god designer.
-Attributed to Buzsaw Message 53
Moreover that view is a blatantly anti-relativistic one. I'm rather inclined to think that space being relative to time and time relative to location should make such a naive hankering to pin-point an ultimate origin of anything, an aspiration that is not even wrong.
Well, Larni, let's say I much better know what I don't want to say than how exactly say what I do.

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Panda
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Message 305 of 602 (638976)
10-27-2011 10:29 AM
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10-27-2011 10:06 AM


Re: vacation nad time off
jar writes:
Actually, there is no legal requirement for any time off in the US
But is it normal for Americans to be allowed several weeks annual leave by their employers?
Edited by Panda, : No reason given.

If I were you
And I wish that I were you
All the things I'd do
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jar
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Message 306 of 602 (638978)
10-27-2011 10:49 AM
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10-27-2011 10:29 AM


Re: vacation nad time off
Yes and no.
It was common but is being eroded rapidly. Today the norm is multiple tiered vacations where new employees get none and they can earn vacation based on how long they stay with that company. Many companies also have a "use it or lose it" policy yet can often find reasons why someone cannot take vacation at the time they want it. This means that often in a family with multiple working members, vacations are not coordinated.

Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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Larni
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Message 307 of 602 (638979)
10-27-2011 10:51 AM
Reply to: Message 303 by jar
10-27-2011 10:06 AM


Re: vacation nad time off
So holiday is something you have to negotiate with your employer, rather than an obligation of said employer?
That's harsh: I get 35 days off, no questions asked.

The above ontological example models the zero premise to BB theory. It does so by applying the relative uniformity assumption that the alleged zero event eventually ontologically progressed from the compressed alleged sub-microscopic chaos to bloom/expand into all of the present observable order, more than it models the Biblical record evidence for the existence of Jehovah, the maximal Biblical god designer.
-Attributed to Buzsaw Message 53
Moreover that view is a blatantly anti-relativistic one. I'm rather inclined to think that space being relative to time and time relative to location should make such a naive hankering to pin-point an ultimate origin of anything, an aspiration that is not even wrong.
Well, Larni, let's say I much better know what I don't want to say than how exactly say what I do.

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hooah212002
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Message 308 of 602 (638983)
10-27-2011 10:58 AM
Reply to: Message 307 by Larni
10-27-2011 10:51 AM


Re: vacation nad time off
Not only that, but that is only if you are a full time regular employee. I have been a contractor for the last two places I worked at. I work full time at one place, but I am not technically an employee of where I work. It's basically like a temp service. I get zero benefits.

"Why don't you call upon your God to strike me? Oh, I forgot it's because he's fake like Thor, so bite me" -Greydon Square

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jar
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Message 309 of 602 (638984)
10-27-2011 11:02 AM
Reply to: Message 307 by Larni
10-27-2011 10:51 AM


Re: vacation nad time off
Yes, it is a company by company issue. Often unions include vacation in their contracts and so in that case it will extend across companies where workers are under the same union, but even there, any non-union workers are not assured of vacations.

Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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Panda
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Message 310 of 602 (638989)
10-27-2011 11:24 AM
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10-27-2011 10:58 AM


Re: vacation nad time off
Hooah writes:
Not only that, but that is only if you are a full time regular employee. I have been a contractor for the last two places I worked at.
The 28 days obligatory days are pro-rata-ed for part-time employees in the UK.
And contractors are paid more than standard employees to compensate them for no paid holidays/sickness pay/maternity leave/etc.

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And I wish that I were you
All the things I'd do
To make myself turn blue

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Message 311 of 602 (638991)
10-27-2011 11:31 AM
Reply to: Message 307 by Larni
10-27-2011 10:51 AM


Re: vacation nad time off
I get a few paid holidays (Christmas, Thanksgiving and the day after, New Years Day, etc), and I get 15 days worth of "paid time off," which is combination sick and vacation time. It accumulates biweekly (I get an additional few hours of PTO every payday, basically), and I can never have more than 15 days saved at any time.
This is the most PTO I've ever had. Previous employers gave 10 days, or I was a contractor and had nothing.
Contracting is particularly bad, because when the company you contract for gets a paid holiday (like Christmas or Thanksgiving), you don't get to work but you also don't get paid. "Holiday" becomes code for "stress out because your paycheck is short."

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hooah212002
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Message 312 of 602 (638993)
10-27-2011 11:40 AM
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10-27-2011 11:24 AM


Re: vacation nad time off
The 28 days obligatory days are pro-rata-ed for part-time employees in the UK.
Part timers here get ZERO benefits.
And contractors are paid more than standard employees to compensate them for no paid holidays/sickness pay/maternity leave/etc.
I get paid less than my co-workers, mainly due to the fact that the company I work at pays my contracting company and they take some off the top. Now, the place I work at very well could be paying my contracting company more than they pay regular employees, but they also don't have to pay for my benefits, nor do I get paid holidays. Any day I miss work, for ANY reason, I don't get paid.

"Why don't you call upon your God to strike me? Oh, I forgot it's because he's fake like Thor, so bite me" -Greydon Square

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hooah212002
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Message 313 of 602 (638994)
10-27-2011 11:42 AM
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10-27-2011 11:31 AM


Re: vacation nad time off
Contracting is particularly bad, because when the company you contract for gets a paid holiday (like Christmas or Thanksgiving), you don't get to work but you also don't get paid. "Holiday" becomes code for "stress out because your paycheck is short."
Fuckin tell me about it. My company is closed for like 6 days straight this x-mas. I have had to beg to work, still with no response if I can....

"Why don't you call upon your God to strike me? Oh, I forgot it's because he's fake like Thor, so bite me" -Greydon Square

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Message 314 of 602 (638996)
10-27-2011 11:45 AM
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10-27-2011 11:24 AM


Re: vacation and time off
Recent sick-day legislation in Connecticut--one of our most liberal states--shows the current climate here.
(Disclosure: I live in Connecticut. Being well left of liberal, the effect of my residency is that I generally feel that I share a planet of origin with my neighbors.)
The new law, the first in the nation, requires employers of 50 or more people to provide one hour of sick time for each 40 hours worked. So a full-time worker can accrue about six days per year, part-time workers considerably less.
The law barely passed, and even so only because we have a Democratic governor for the first time in many years. The law had been introduced regularly for years but stalled in the face of a veto threat from a Republican governor.
The response from the business community?
quote:
Joe Brennan, a lobbyist for the Connecticut Business & Industry Association, dismissed that argument as absurd. The new law will make Connecticut less competitive with states that do not tell business how many sick days they must provide to workers, he said.
Where does it stop? Brennan said. Mandate vacation time? Mandate how many times people can get a coffee break during the day?
Mandated vacation time?! Breaks? The horror, the horror.
See, if we provide these Euro-Socialist perks to our workers, then we will undermine the lean, competitive companies that support our vibrant American economy.
Then we will have persistently high unemployment and decades of stagnant wages.
Oh. Wait.

"If you can keep your head while those around you are losing theirs, you can collect a lot of heads."

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Panda
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Message 315 of 602 (638999)
10-27-2011 11:50 AM
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10-27-2011 11:40 AM


Re: vacation nad time off
Hooah writes:
Part timers here get ZERO benefits.
I know fellow Britains that slag off the UK, but it doesn't take much looking around to see that it has got a lot of important things right.

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To make myself turn blue

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