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RAZD
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Message 22 of 242 (636484)
10-06-2011 8:03 PM
Reply to: Message 21 by jar
10-06-2011 6:44 PM


skin cells
Hi Jar et al,
I always find it a little curious that people claim that cells have to evolve into eyes in order to be able to sense basic sunlight.
Your whole body is covered in cells that sense the heat and warmth of the sun, and even with a blindfold you can tell what direction the sun is, and tell when it is warm and when it is not.
Then look at the sun with your eyes closed: with your eyes closed, the complex elements of our eyes - the lens, the image making retina and the focusing muscles are not used, but you will be able to tell where the sun is in the sky.
These are simple little steps that show how light sensing can develop.
Enjoy.

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Message 32 of 242 (636535)
10-07-2011 8:46 AM
Reply to: Message 23 by Robert Byers
10-06-2011 10:23 PM


Hi Robert Byers,
The eye is a great case for creationism on many levels.
A great case, indeed, all of it badly considered with much misinformation.
If evolution was true then eye diversity and diversity of complexity would be the rule.
if there is a single blueprint from a single thinking mind then all eyes are the same equation with a few differences.
Yeah, silly evolutionists, when the obvious is staring them in the face: Investigator: Eye's Silly Design
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Message 64 of 242 (636819)
10-11-2011 10:56 AM
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10-11-2011 12:48 AM


Hi Robert Byers
If there was a single blueprint then the few types still would indicate a greater equation(not realized yet) of what sight is actually doing.
Just have lenses , despite differences, is case in point.
In fact diversity in kinds of eyes should be the rule.
yet most creatures have eyes like me and insects have like eyes and so on.
Very controlled options for sight.
So you AGREE that Silly Design Theory is the best explanation for the silly diversity of eyes, when a very small number of eye types should suffice?
      Yes
      No (explain).
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Message 242 of 242 (654045)
02-26-2012 2:21 PM
Reply to: Message 241 by dodgy_dogg
02-26-2012 7:58 AM


Hi dodgy_dogg, and welcome to the fray.
'it's complicated' is the necessary and sufficient causation? . .sounds like 'begging the question' to me . .
Okay, try this:
Question - Can sense organs like the eye really evolve?
Answer - Yes.
That's the simple answer. The next question is whether or not that answer satisfies you: does it?
btw I could not find your purported quote (" 'it's complicated' ") in Taz's or any other message, nor do I see it even implied by Taz's Message 3.
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