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Author Topic:   This just in, Wisconsin Senators Pass Bill Pushing Abstinence Over Contraception
Rrhain
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Message 16 of 117 (639795)
11-04-2011 12:43 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by Taz
11-03-2011 8:17 AM


Taz quotes Glenn Grothman:
We are trying to back away from the bill passed last year that we feel mandated sex ed that was too nonjudgmental
Note the problem: "Too nonjudgmental."
Heaven forbid we should teach our children to be at ease with their sexuality. No, we have to judge and shame them so that they don't become "deviants."
You know...gay.

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Rrhain
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Message 42 of 117 (639911)
11-04-2011 7:54 PM
Reply to: Message 38 by Jon
11-04-2011 5:38 PM


Jon writes:
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What I said was that it is ridiculous to include in a study about the effectiveness of the use of 'X' incidents in which 'X' was never used.
But that's just it: The failure rates of all other methods of contraception include inconsistent use. Abstinence folks are happy to claim that condoms don't work, citing failure rates of 20% or more, but that's because they are including the population of people who don't use condoms all the time. When you look at only those who do use them all the time, the effectiveness rate is nearly 100%.
So if we're going to talk about "reliability," then we must take into account the entire population, including those who don't practice their method consistently. And in that light, abstinence is a rotten method. Kids who received abstinence sex ed were more likely to have sex without any protection of any kind, had more pregnancies, and had more STDs than those who received comprehensive sex ed.
Thus, the claim that abstinence is the only "reliable" method simply isn't true.

Rrhain

Thank you for your submission to Science. Your paper was reviewed by a jury of seventh graders so that they could look for balance and to allow them to make up their own minds. We are sorry to say that they found your paper "bogus," specifically describing the section on the laboratory work "boring." We regret that we will be unable to publish your work at this time.

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Message 86 of 117 (640240)
11-08-2011 12:12 AM
Reply to: Message 47 by hooah212002
11-04-2011 8:51 PM


hooah212002 writes:
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Is there a secular reason for abstinence being taught?
Because it's simply easier. Having sex with someone brings in a whole host of issues and scenarios that must be dealth with from the biological to the emotional to the social. Your life is going along fine as it is. While sexual activity may be pleasurable at the time that you are engaging in it, are you sure you're ready to deal with what comes after? Too many times one partner pressures the other into it only to drop them once they've had their moment. If you're the one being dumped, think about how you'll feel about that. Is that really OK with you? And if it is, are you really OK with other people knowing that about you, because it will become known to others.
It is much better if you and your partner are on the same page and in the throes of puberty, there's a good chance that you're not simply because you barely know what you want let alone how to deal with what comes after if you don't get it. By not having sex, you don't have to put up with all the drama. Hold off until you are having sex because you want to, when you understand what you need out of having sex, and are in a position to make sure that your needs are met.

Rrhain

Thank you for your submission to Science. Your paper was reviewed by a jury of seventh graders so that they could look for balance and to allow them to make up their own minds. We are sorry to say that they found your paper "bogus," specifically describing the section on the laboratory work "boring." We regret that we will be unable to publish your work at this time.

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Message 87 of 117 (640242)
11-08-2011 12:17 AM
Reply to: Message 55 by hooah212002
11-05-2011 12:14 AM


hooah212002 writes:
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Surely sex education teachers could, along with teaching contraceptive methods, tell children "the only truly effective way to NOT have unwanted pregnancies or get STD's is to NOT have sex"
Except that would be a lie. I can have sex with every single person in the world, if I wanted to, and not risk even catching a cold let alone an STD or get someone pregnant.
I just have to do it right.
quote:
So again, what is the secular purpose behind abstinence only sex education?
Abstinence only? There isn't one. A secular education would want the most effective education available and abstinence only is a failure.
Comprehensive sex ed is much more effective. Children who have comprehensive sex ed put off sex longer and are more likely to engage in safer sex practices when they do have sex.

Rrhain

Thank you for your submission to Science. Your paper was reviewed by a jury of seventh graders so that they could look for balance and to allow them to make up their own minds. We are sorry to say that they found your paper "bogus," specifically describing the section on the laboratory work "boring." We regret that we will be unable to publish your work at this time.

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Message 88 of 117 (640247)
11-08-2011 12:25 AM
Reply to: Message 72 by Modulous
11-07-2011 4:28 PM


Modulous writes:
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The only reason I've ever seen which could be construed as secular is that by teaching that sex can be made safe with proper use of condoms with the pill as a backup (for example) may cause risky behaviour (that is it might foster promiscuity).
I'm reminded of a school board meeting here in San Diego (though I think it was in one of the suburbs) regarding sex education and someone had mentioned, "We don't teach our kids how to do drugs 'safely.'"
Another parent came up after and said, "You're right, we don't teach our kids how to do drugs. That's because we don't want our kids to ever do drugs. We do, however, eventually want them to have sex. It would be cruel not to teach them how to do it safely."
Like it or not, the human species becomes sexually potent at a time when society has not set them up to be capable of handling the fallout. Therefore, we must educate them about this or society will have to deal with it for them.

Rrhain

Thank you for your submission to Science. Your paper was reviewed by a jury of seventh graders so that they could look for balance and to allow them to make up their own minds. We are sorry to say that they found your paper "bogus," specifically describing the section on the laboratory work "boring." We regret that we will be unable to publish your work at this time.

Minds are like parachutes. Just because you've lost yours doesn't mean you can use mine.

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