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Author | Topic: This just in, Wisconsin Senators Pass Bill Pushing Abstinence Over Contraception | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
crashfrog Member (Idle past 1457 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined: |
If it wasn't clear, let me say that we can thank our veterans and service men for sacrifices that have nothing to do with fighting in wars. I'm quite sure I made that point in my message. I guess what I was confused by is that "veteran" means "somebody who fought in a war". Certainly our servicemen and women have contributed and continue to contribute much to America, and I hope I didn't give you the impression that I didn't believe that. My wife serves in AMEDD as an entomologist (she's working on malaria right now) so I'm certainly mindful of the vast contributions and accomplishments of service personnel.
Your post is a complete straw man. I disagree, since the context here is Veteran's Day, not Armed Forces Day. I'm sorry if I somehow gave you the wrong impression about what I was talking about, but surely a glance at a calendar might have addressed your confusion.
Your suggestion that no service man had ever done anything to defend your freedom since WWII is completely off base. You've misunderstood. My position is that no American war has done anything to defend the freedom of Americans since WWII, and that's abundantly true. Edited by crashfrog, : No reason given.
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Omnivorous Member Posts: 3973 From: Adirondackia Joined: Member Rating: 6.9 |
Regular Army, early 70s, both Combat Engineers ("Build and Destroy") and Information Specialist (photojournalist and troop newspaper editor):
"You mean you got film in that thing?" I trained at Ft. Knox and Ft. Harrison and toured old New England, beautiful SE Asia, and Korea. Thanks for the kind words. "If you can keep your head while those around you are losing theirs, you can collect a lot of heads."
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Omnivorous Member Posts: 3973 From: Adirondackia Joined: Member Rating: 6.9
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crashfrog writes: And I'm sorry. A better people would not have put you in that position. Truly, truly sorry. Yet a worse people would not have awakened to the waste and injustice of Vietnam and forced the politicians to end it. Much of the blame for our military misadventures since WWII belongs to our leadership, both military and civilian. Politicians, like Johnson, pursued folly out of fear of being "the first president to lose a war." The generals rarely find a war they aren't prepared to fight. The media too often fail to report or delay reporting essential information the American people need to understand the "facts on the ground" until someone like Cronkite goes to the Nam and reports, "This is a clusterfuck." Our nation's military misadventurism certainly predates the second half of the 20th century: the Spanish-American War, the Philippine and Hawaiian conquests, and much more. We honed our military tradition by carving a new world out of the American Indian. I answered my own call to arms with deep reservations, having already participated in anti-war protests and being filled with a revulsion for violence after a childhood replete with it. Ultimately, I decided that if only those who serve for the wrong reasons agree to serve, then our armed forces would be filled with exactly the wrong people. Canada looked good, but, astoundingly, I discovered that I had a sense of honor that could not abide running away. Like many vets of that era, I sometimes envied the clear-cut wars of our fathers against almost cartoonishly evil aggressors; but I was also philosophically puzzled by folks who thought that the U.S. had no need of armies in a world of armed nation states. A soldier has to swear to obey lawful orders. That is a more difficult task than one might imagine, since many orders are foolish yet legal. But a world in which soldiers fight only honorably is a world several steps closer than our own to peace. So don't be sorry--you're too young to answer to the sins of the past. Just keep speaking out. America's warriors have necessarily (and now voluntarily) submitted themselves to the will of others, short of unlawful and dishonorable orders, and a people that questions the need for their sacrifices and the conduct of their leaders is their best ally. Sorry if that sounds preachy: I'm feeling the wisdom of about a liter of oak-aged reminiscence and too many decades of perspective."If you can keep your head while those around you are losing theirs, you can collect a lot of heads."
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NoNukes Inactive Member |
I guess what I was confused by is that "veteran" means "somebody who fought in a war. Yes, but veterans are also servicemen who do the same stuff that we former servicemen who never saw combat do. I'm glad to see we are on the same accord.
I disagree, since the context here is Veteran's Day, not Armed Forces Day. I'm sorry if I somehow gave you the wrong impression about what I was talking about, but surely a glance at a calendar might have addressed your confusion. That kind of condescension is incompatible with my view of you from your other posts. Veterans are servicemen who also happen to have fought in a combat. I don't apologize for taking your comment at face value. I'll also note that I was completely clear about the exact reason that I objected to your initial statement. You simply missed it.
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crashfrog Member (Idle past 1457 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined:
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We're maybe talking past each other. Let me just say that it was not ever my intention to slight servicemen and women, but rather to slight the leadership that so frequently plays a shell game with their lives and livelihoods.
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dwise1 Member Posts: 5925 Joined: Member Rating: 5.2 |
Oh, are you guys vets? Thanks - not for "defending my freedom", which unless you're 80 years old you have not ever done, but for paying the price of our mistaken policies. We owed you better than that. With all due respect (the Woody Allen "Broadway Danny Rose" implications fully intended) and a middle finger extended as well, not only vertically for yourself but also horizontally "for the horse you rode in on" ... I served six years active duty as a "cold warrior" on a SAC base, then another 29 years as a reservist, ready to be mobilized at any moment. I retired just one week ago after having served for more than 35 years. How long did you serve?
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hooah212002 Member (Idle past 791 days) Posts: 3193 Joined:
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Wisconsin Republicans seek to criminalize all abortion as well as contraception
The measure — LRB 2859/1 — seeks to amend the state’s Constitution to apply personhood rights to preborn children at all stages of development, according to a press release from Pro-Life Wisconsin. Supporters of the proposal believe it would prompt a legal challenge that could overturn Roe v. Wade, the 1973 U.S. Supreme Court decision that established a legal right to abortion. I regret the day I moved to this state. Slowly pushing reproductive freedom back to the stone age."Why don't you call upon your God to strike me? Oh, I forgot it's because he's fake like Thor, so bite me" -Greydon Square
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NoNukes Inactive Member |
What's the process for amending the state constitution in WI?
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hooah212002 Member (Idle past 791 days) Posts: 3193 Joined: |
I've no clue, but with some digging I'm sure I could find out. However, whether or not it is constitutional is not as big of a deal as the fact that there are people in high office that want to do enact policies like this.
"Why don't you call upon your God to strike me? Oh, I forgot it's because he's fake like Thor, so bite me" -Greydon Square
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NoNukes Inactive Member |
I regret the day I moved to this state. Slowly pushing reproductive freedom back to the stone age. If it makes you feel any better, initiative to introduce these bills into state legislatures is being pushed by national organizations that probably don't include many Wisconsin natives. Wisconsin's legislators have been awfully busy at this introducing reactionary bills this year.
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NoNukes Inactive Member |
From Wikipedia:
quote: Sounds like there is the opportunity for a lot of politics to go on if the bill can get out of the legislature.
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frako Member (Idle past 296 days) Posts: 2932 From: slovenija Joined: |
I served six years active duty as a "cold warrior" on a SAC base, then another 29 years as a reservist, ready to be mobilized at any moment. Um even though its off topic how do your countries reservists work, in mine its not a bad deal if you are short on cash you get 3 months of training and they pay you for it not much though around 1500 EUR, after that if you are military material they keep you as a reservist you have to go and train and stuff on weekends get payed for it and they only call on you if our country is under attack. I personally like my weekends too much to take the deal , but allot of folks did. I personally preffered it before when every able man got a few months of basic training and every vaulentiring women too u could say that you cant kill because of any reason but then you had other training that does not involve a gun. this old system provided us with at least 700 000 standing reservists that did not cost the country a penny after their basic training was done, it provided the youth with discipline, and it proved its worth in ww2 even though we where occupied by the Germans we made it hell for them to hold our country, it also proved its worth in our independence ware of 10 days lol our "army" of cops real army and ACTIVE reservists numbered at 26000 theirs was 36000 with tanks and airplanes and the like witch we did not have. We lost 18 people 180 where wounded none captured, they lost 44 people 144 wounded and over 5000 captured. Christianity, One woman's lie about an affair that got seriously out of hand
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