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Author Topic:   Where do Creationists think the Theory of Evolution comes from?
Philip
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Message 16 of 109 (260214)
11-16-2005 11:29 AM
Reply to: Message 15 by nwr
11-15-2005 9:27 PM


Re: ToE Etiologies...
The objection is to teaching these in the science class. If they are taught in philosophy or religion classes, the national academy would have nothing to say on that.
Again this is way off-topic (Admins, WW, please overlook) ... I stand somewhat corrected NWR (i.e., with the NAS grammar). But while we're *straining knats and swallowing camels* I've read:
The NAS serves to "investigate, examine, experiment, and report upon any subject of science or art" (Server Error).
Furthermore: philosophy or religion classes seem conspicuously and *constitutionally* absent in H.S. curriculums.
Now, back to the topic of malicious ToE Etiologies ... the NAS itself:
Here's a front page lie: "...scientists universally accept that the cosmos, our planet, and life evolved ... (thus) creationism has no place in any science curriculum at any level." (http://nationalacademies.org/evolution/)
...Ouch

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jar
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Message 17 of 109 (260222)
11-16-2005 12:06 PM
Reply to: Message 16 by Philip
11-16-2005 11:29 AM


Re: ToE Etiologies...
Now, back to the topic of malicious ToE Etiologies ... the NAS itself:
Here's a front page lie: "...scientists universally accept that the cosmos, our planet, and life evolved ... (thus) creationism has no place in any science curriculum at any level."
That is a simple statement of FACT. Creationism cannot be science.
Where is your problem?

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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Adminnemooseus
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Message 18 of 109 (260226)
11-16-2005 12:31 PM
Reply to: Message 16 by Philip
11-16-2005 11:29 AM


Re: That "art" word
...report upon any subject of science or art"
The term "art" was something that was put into the mission statement almost 150 years ago. I don't know why it was put in then, but it certainly doesn't belong in the statement now. My opinion is that you would be very foolish to make issue of that very minor quirk.
My impression is that your line of debate would find a better home in the new Is it experts or "experts"? topic.
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Cold Foreign Object 
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Message 19 of 109 (260616)
11-17-2005 2:32 PM
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11-11-2005 11:12 AM


Creationism comes from religious beliefs.
You are mistaken. Creationism comes from voluminous evidence and facts.
The Theory of Evolution stems from science.
Only Darwinists believe this. The evidence says the Emperor has no clothes. The textual evidence of the Bible says Darwinian macroevolution beliefs are a penalty from God for denying Him Creator status. The penalty is corroborated by the fact that the ***reason for being*** evidence/intermediacy is entirely missing; IC is a scientific fact; fossil record shows zero signs of species transitioning. These are death blows in the eyes of any non-prejudicial observer. The fact that Darwinism thrives despite its nudity is explained by the penalty.
Ray

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FliesOnly
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Message 20 of 109 (260630)
11-17-2005 3:43 PM
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11-17-2005 2:32 PM


Herepton writes:
Creationism comes from voluminous evidence and facts.
Can you supply any at all? I'd truly love to see some for once.
Herepton writes:
The textual evidence of the Bible says Darwinian macroevolution beliefs are a penalty from God for denying Him Creator status.
Wow...where can I read this in the Bible?
Herepton writes:
IC is a scientific fact
No kidding? Tell ya what Herepton, step on up to the plate and take a swing at it...who knows maybe you'll be the very first person to actually hit upon some actual scientific evidence to support this claim.

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Omnivorous
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Message 21 of 109 (260632)
11-17-2005 3:47 PM
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11-17-2005 2:32 PM


Herepton writes:
Creationism comes from voluminous evidence and facts.
Prithee, Herepton--where are these volumes kept?

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Omnivorous
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Message 22 of 109 (260635)
11-17-2005 3:54 PM
Reply to: Message 16 by Philip
11-16-2005 11:29 AM


Art
Philip writes:
The NAS serves to "investigate, examine, experiment, and report upon any subject of science or art"
Hi, Philip.
The word "art" in the context of science was once used to mean "technique" or "application" as opposed to such "pure" endeavors as mathematics and theory in general. We still see traces of this usage in phrases such as "a term of art" for specialized vocabulary.
edit: .
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Philip
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Message 23 of 109 (261066)
11-18-2005 5:59 PM
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11-17-2005 3:54 PM


Re: Art
...Very well

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Philip
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Message 24 of 109 (261081)
11-18-2005 6:18 PM
Reply to: Message 18 by Adminnemooseus
11-16-2005 12:31 PM


Re: That "art" word
Thank you for your thoughtful (and considerate) feedback. I'll drop it (at this time) based on your tentative impression.
(To jar, and others; based on Admin's impression and my own, I view this is as becoming some sort of *begging the point(s) or something* and is getting increasingly off-topic. Thus, please excuse me from this topic.)

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Message 25 of 109 (261085)
11-18-2005 6:29 PM
Reply to: Message 20 by FliesOnly
11-17-2005 3:43 PM


problem: off-topic
Can you supply any at all? I'd truly love to see some for once.
This is really off-topic. The OP is asking the opinion of creationists, and there is no reason not to accept the opinion stated as honest.
Debates about whether there are facts to support creationism should be another thread, imo.
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mick
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Message 26 of 109 (261298)
11-19-2005 3:19 PM
Reply to: Message 19 by Cold Foreign Object
11-17-2005 2:32 PM


Herepton writes:
Only Darwinists believe this. The evidence says the Emperor has no clothes.
So how about answering the question here: where do you think the theory of evolution comes from? Are biologists mistaken, conniving or conspiring? And if so, for what purpose?
Thanks
Mick

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joshua221 
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Message 27 of 109 (261407)
11-19-2005 10:57 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Whirlwind
11-11-2005 11:12 AM


Science is a worthless pursuit in life, with no purpose or meaning, study of a temporal world. I care about God, and destiny, not the physicalities of the earth, as a creationist. Social implications show evolution to be false, based on human interaction, and worth.
EvC Forum: Evolution and Specialness of Humanity
quote:
If Creationism is true, why would scientists bother to work towards refining and publicising the ToE?
The observation, collection, and recording of physical data on the earth.

well sure as planets come, i know that they end
and if i'm here when they happens, will you promise me this my friend?
please bury me with it
i just don't need none of that mad max bullshit

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Nuggin
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Message 28 of 109 (261418)
11-20-2005 12:15 AM
Reply to: Message 19 by Cold Foreign Object
11-17-2005 2:32 PM


I hate it when people point out typos
I really hate it when people attack someone's post by pointing out problems in their typing / spelling / grammar, etc.
However, I couldn't let this one go.
Herep wrote:
You are mistaken. Creationism comes from voluminous evidence and facts
He mixed up Theory of Evolution and Creationism. Must have been posting late at night. Happens to the best of us

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Nuggin
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Message 29 of 109 (261419)
11-20-2005 12:18 AM
Reply to: Message 19 by Cold Foreign Object
11-17-2005 2:32 PM


Might be off topic but...
Herep writes:
The evidence says the Emperor has no clothes...Darwinism thrives despite its nudity...
I may be wrong, but wouldn't that make Darwinists more in God's favor, since Adam and Eve didn't put on close until they ate from the forbidden fruit and got kicked out of Eden.
Sounds like you're backing the wrong horse

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FliesOnly
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Message 30 of 109 (261900)
11-21-2005 11:00 AM
Reply to: Message 25 by AdminRandman
11-18-2005 6:29 PM


Re: problem: off-topic
AdminRandman writes:
This is really off-topic. The OP is asking the opinion of creationists, and there is no reason not to accept the opinion stated as honest.
However, it was not stated as an opinion. It was stated as a fact in response to the OP. I guess it comes down to what is considered to be "a fact". Opinions, in my opinion, are not. Asking for evidence, then, does not really seem off-topic. However, you're the boss...

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