Where Did The (Great Flood) Water Come From And Where Did It Go?

Hi frako, If that is what a basic creationist is then I ain't one.I appreciate what Walt Brown has tried to do. But I have a copy of his entire plate techronics theory papers and I disagree with him totally.He is trying to place the entire history of the Earth into a little over 6,000 years more or less and account for all the layers of sediment in the Earth. Which did not happen.The Earth was created in the beginning whenever that was, nobody has ever been able to tell me when that was.But this has nothing to do with the questions of the OP.God Bless,

Hi Trixie,Trying to discuss this subject in a science thread is almost impossible as the evidence for a flood is not accepted.We do have a book that gives information concerning the flood just as there is information as to where the water came from that is on Earth.The problem is the book that talks about the flood is discarded but the book that talks about where the water on Earth came from is accepted as fact.Kinda a double standard there. The account given in the Bible does not present a catastrophic flood, therefore there was none, which science agrees with. The last time I took my grandson to the beach on Grand Cayman and we built a sand castle beginning shortly after low tide, it took quite some time and we also ate after we got through. By the time we finished eating the water was lapping at the sand castle. It was not long before the water was over where the sand castle had existed as the water had washed it away.I would say that experiment proves that the water ran uphill to get to where the sand castle had been constructed.If you disagree with my conclusions from my experiment please tell me how the water could wash away the sand castle, without running uphill. The source where the fountains of the deep is recorded does not say anything about the water reaching high in the atmosphere.It simply says the fountains of the deep were broken up.The Floridan Aquifer System which covers 100,000 sq. miles, is an artesian aquifer which is the largest, oldest and deepest aquifer in the southeastern U.S.There are free flowing artesian wells all over mid and south Florida. The only water that goes into the atmosphere is that evaporated by the sun.There are springs all over the state of Florida that are heads of rivers.
The water continually rises and runs off in these rivers.If the state of Florida was sumerged again as it was in the past, would the water that is in the lithosphere and the asthenosphere still be there?My conclusion to that question is that the water would still be there and it would be under more pressure than it is today.This lithosphere and the asthenosphere is on top of the mantle all over the planet Earth.I don't know if anyone has ever tried to put a well for water in them but I know they have drilled for oil under the gulf and when they drill into a pocket of oil the oil will flow through the pipe to the rig that is doing the drilling no pump required. It does that because of the pressure the liquid is under.A good example would be the BP well in the Gulf that blew out the shut off valve and emitted a lot of oil in the Gulf.There are vents that open under the ocean and release water all the time so if they are under 5 miles of water I think they would be classified as fountains of the deep. I could be wrong though.Fact #1 There is much water in the lithosphere and the asthenosphere.Fact #2 Much of that water comes to the surface without being pumped out of the Earth.Fact #3 There is much water in the asthenosphere as it serves as the lubercation for plate movement.Fact #4 There is much water in the mantle according to scientist. Enough to fill the oceans 5 to 10 times depending on whose numbers you use.Assumption #1 Since there is water above the lithosphere and below it in the asthenosphere I assume there is water in the lithosphere under the ocean as it is under our feet as we walk on dry land.This presents a source for the water to accomplish the flooding of the dry land that the Bible says existed in Genesis 1:10.The problem with the amount of water required to cover the Earth as stated in the 7 th chapter of Genesis arises when it is applied to the Earth as it is today. That is nothing but a strawman of those who say the flood could not happen. I have noticed that Mt Everest has already been mentioned as having to be covered when it did not exist at the time of the flood.If the source of the flood story is to be consulted the water gathered together in one place and dry land appeared. That is a discription of Pangea, put forth by scientist.The source material also says the dry land that appeared was divided in the days of Peleg.Now if we have to discard the source material this conversation is over.God Bless,

Hi Trixie, Are you saying you don't believe Pangaea existed?

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The Panthalassic Ocean, was the vast global ocean that surrounded the supercontinent Pangaea

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Alfred Wegener's theory of continental drift. In his book The Origin of Continents and Oceans (Die Entstehung der Kontinente und Ozeane) first published in 1915, he postulated that all the continents had at one time formed a single supercontinent which he called the "Urkontinent", before later breaking up and drifting to their present locations.[3]

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Genesis 1:9 And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so.

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1:10 And God called the dry land Earth; and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas: and God saw that it was good.

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SourceScientific theory is that all the water was in one place, the Panthalassic Ocean.The Bible says the water was all in one place.That is a perfect match.Scientific theory says the land mass was all in one place.The Bible says the land mass appeared when the water gathered to one place. Water in one place equals land mass in one place.That is a perfect match.Neither give any elevation of the land mass.Alferd Wegener's theory says the continents later broke apart.The Bible says the Earth was divided in the day's of Peleg.

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Genesis 10:25 And unto Eber were born two sons: the name of one was Peleg; for in his days was the earth divided; and his brother's name was Joktan.

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SourceThe primary meaning of the Hebrew word הר is hill, the translators chose to use mountains. First I don't believe there was a mountain they are caused by plate's diving under one another and the dry land had not been divided at the time of the flood.How high the land mass was would only be a guess as there is no information on the elevation of the land mass. Why should I guess how high the land mass was?
If I have a model it will come from the Bible text not my imagination.

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Ararat - The Bible says that Noah's ark landed on the mountains of Ararat. This does not refer to any specific mountain or peak, but rather a mountain range within the region of Ararat,

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Your SourceThis would refer to a region of Ararat which existed at the time the texts were copied from what Moses had written.

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It is not known when the last eruption of Ararat occurred; there are no historic or recent observations of large-scale activity recorded. It seems that Ararat was active in the 3rd millennium BC; under the pyroclastic flows, artifacts from the early Bronze Age and remains of human bodies have been found

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Your SourceFirst off your source say's it is not known when the last eruption occurred. Then it says "It seems that Ararat was active in the 3rd millennium BC.What problem do you think I would have with that?The Bible gives no date for the flood so I don't have one. I have a guess but that is all that it is.God Bless,

Hi Coyote, And you know that to be a fact because _____________________.It is your clain so fill in the blank.God Bless,

Hi Coyote, Could you present that scientific research to support your claim.I hope you are not insulted by my not taking your word for evidence.God Bless,

Hi Trixie, Well it was not obvious to me.The statement: "Even if that was the case and we accept that there was a single land mass (which I don't, even for a nanosecond),"Even if we accept a single land mass which I don't, even for a nanosecond. Tells me you were saying you did not believe in a single land mass. I am not a mind reader say what you mean and mean what you say.Now that you have explained what you meant to say, why do you not believe there was a single land mass at the time of the flood?I am argueing what the text says not what you, I or anyone else thinks.

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Genesis 1:9 And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so.

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1:10 And God called the dry land Earth; and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas: and God saw that it was good.

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SourceThat says the land was where the water wasn't so it was in one place.

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Genesis 10:25 And unto Eber were born two sons: the name of one was Peleg; for in his days was the earth divided; and his brother's name was Joktan.

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SourceThat says the same thing in Genesis 1:10 that was called Earth was divided in the days of Peleg (during his lifetime).So far I got enough water to cover all the dry land as it was covered in Genesis 1:9 There was no dry land until the water was gathered into one place.Water went somewhere for the dry land to be able to appear.If Mt Everest or the Himalayas was on that land mass enough water went somewhere that it was uncovered.Now I got enough water to cover whatever land mass existed in Genesis 1:10 that was called dry land. The water has just been removed to a different location. No I did not miss that it was volcanic. A minimum of 1 inch as there was dry land. So the ark came to rest in the region that the mountains of Ararat exist today.What's the problem? Sorry it was not clear enough that I was saying regardless of when the last eruption was why would I have a problem with an eruption in the third century BC. However much water was required to cover the highest point of land mass on Earth was available in Genesis 1:9 as there was no dry land until the water was gathered into one place.There is no place in the text that says how much land mass there was or what the sea level of that land mass was or how deep the water was around that land mass.So far I have enough water to cover all land mass on the Earth.
Water is gathered to one place and dry land appears.
Land mass flooded with water called Noah's flood.
Earth divided after the flood, in the days of Peleg.Now we can speculate where the water went when it was reduced to the point the dry land appeared.Regardless of where the water was it would have been available to cover the dry land at a later time.So the source of the water is available, now what?God Bless,

Hi pandion, If the continents were moved in 1 nanosecond how much heat would be created?How much water would be evaporated into the asthenosphere and mantle in the process of cooling that movement?God Bless,

Hi Trixie, My model is found in the text.If I can't argue the text I can't argue.So I am out of here.God Bless,

In Genesis 1:2 and the beginning of Genesis 1:9 there was no dry land.All land was covered so there was enough water to flood the Earth on the surface of the Earth.Genesis 1:9 last half of verse dry land appeared when the water was gathered to one place.So the water had to go somewhere for the dry land to appear.Where ever that water went it could have been retrieved to cover the dry land at a later date.There was enough water to cover the Earth.God Bless,

Hi Trixie, Any water that existed at the time of creation went somewhere as it was covered with miles of rock. More than likely it would have been around where oil is located today. Creation took place in Genesis 1:1 the seven days of Moses recorded in Genesis 1:2 - 2:3 was not creation. The Earth is billions of years old if not trillions. When was they ever closed? They are still operational in the water cycle today.God Bless,

Hi Trixie, glad to see you have an inquisitive mind. As you have noticed by now I am not very conventional for a Bible thumper.The Earth is old, very old. It was created in the beginning whenever that was.We have trillions of gallons of oil, tons and tons of coal and millions of cubic feet of natural gas in the ground.That stored energy had to get there by some method. Especially since it is found under little enough of Earth's surface to be strip mined down to depts of 15,000+ feet for oil and gas.The majority of oil is produced by marine sediment.

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Marine sediments produced the majority (about 86%) of the world’s petroleum, while deltaic and lacustrine sediments yielded smaller amounts (about 11% and 3%, respectively) (Demaison, 1993).

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This information found in a pdf here 4. Recovery of NPP as Petroleum this article is by J S DukesIn the Abstract of BURNING BURIED SUNSHINE: HUMAN CONSUMPTION OF ANCIENT SOLAR ENERGY by Jeffrery S. Dukes he states:

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Today’s average U.S. Gallon (3.8 L) of gasoline required approximately 90 metric tons of ancient plant matter as precursor material.

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The plants and animals that produced the oil that is extracted had to be on the surface of the Earth in swampy areas or at least water areas at one time.So there has to be some mechnism by which these life forms in a great quanity was available to be covered by miles of sediment. And a mechanism to cover the life forms with the sediment. It stands to reason when these areas of mass life forms was covered the water that was there at the time the sediment was provided would have been covered with the plant matter and life forms that became the oil in the Earth.I read of many times that Earth has been impacted by large asteroids that sent material into the air and even into the stratosphere. This material would have fallen back to Earth thus covering the plants and animals where it fell. Some of these impacts killed almost all life forms on Earth. Some darkened the sun for years according to what has been put forward.That is the reason I said that any water that was on Earth when it was created would be in the same area of the oil.In other words in my mind the Earth was a lot smaller at one time that it is now. Plants and animals grew as swarms on the ground and in the water and especially the swampy areas. Then material was added that covered those life forms. Then plants and animals grew as swarms and more material was added until we have what we have today.The material had to be added on top of the life forms for there to be rocks on top of the oil as the plants and other life forms had to have great pressure and heat to become oil and natural gas. Coal is a little different. We have soft coal that is basically surface coal and then we have hard coal which comes from underground mines.Now just as the oil in the ground whether on land or under water comes out of a well due to the pressure underneath it the water in springs come out due to the pressure under them. When the fountains of the deep were opened the water would have come out due to the pressure under them.But when we get to Genesis 1:2 all land mass is covered with water.The water had been deposited in the Earth along with the oil and gas.So when the flood came and water was required there was sufficient water in the ground to flood the Earth however high the highest point above sea level was.And BTW the water underground in the oceans is connected in the porous sediment layers of the Earth. The water was in one place in Genesis 1:9, 10 and the dry land was called Earth.God Bless,

Hi edge, The plant life and animal life that existed in that water is underground as much as 15,000+ feet. Not really. They existed on the face of the Earth as they covered it in Genesis 1:2.When the dry land appeared some of the water had to go somewhere for the dry land to appear as it was wet land until the water gathered to one place. How much water would it take to cover the dry land in Genesis 1:10?You need to know the area of land and the elevation of the land to determine how much water would be required.In the flat Earth thread Granny Magda presented some ancient maps
that showed a single piece of dry land surounded by water. So that is what the ancient's said existed at one time.God Bless,

Hi edge, Where did enough normal sedimentary material come from to cover the oil with 15,000+ feet of sediment?What do you do with all the material that was added by the asteroids that caused several extinction events?There is rock between the surface of the Earth and the oil, and gas that is deep in the Earth. Where did the sediment come from that formed those rocks?God Bless,

Hi edge, Then why isn't there oil on the mountains? Oh that is right there is coal on the mountains.Then why is there oil under the mountains? Yes, and some of those seeps were at pretty high elevations.The seeps were caused by the porous rock sediment and the pressure on the oil from beneath.In Texas many oil wells are at 4,000 feet, due to the pressure below it. I will return to this tomorrow.God Bless,

Hi edge, Land is exposed to erosion whether it is above water or below water.But could you tell me why you are so sure there has never been a time all the land mass was covered with water?There is evidence of sea creatures all over the place. That would actually depend on the elevation and the size of the dry land, wouldn't it? Oh I question everything. But they are so old and carved in rock it would be hard to prove they are fakes.Do you ever question anything you are told by anyone other than a creationist?God Bless,