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Phat
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Message 288 of 304 (685531)
12-23-2012 11:37 AM
Reply to: Message 287 by NoNukes
12-23-2012 11:26 AM


Re: Hidden Wisdom -- The Literalists' Nightmare
NoNukes writes:

The video guy believes that the story of Noah is a teaching prop that is not literally true. I am not sure why Phat thinks posting a video of someone we never heard of is better that just saying that himself.

The video guy is me.
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Message 289 of 304 (685534)
12-23-2012 12:42 PM
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11-29-2011 7:24 PM


God was in a covenant relationship with Israel. The worship of other gods was strictly forbidden as part of that covenant. What did Moses say God would do to anyone who worshipped other gods? What did Elijah prophecy would happen to the house of Ahab for its baal worship?
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Message 290 of 304 (685584)
12-24-2012 12:01 AM
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12-23-2012 11:37 AM


Re: Hidden Wisdom -- The Literalists' Nightmare
I and many others will not watch a video posted. Can you typeo ut a coherent answer?

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.


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Phat
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Message 291 of 304 (685616)
12-24-2012 7:46 AM
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12-24-2012 12:01 AM


Re: Hidden Wisdom -- The Literalists' Nightmare
Theodoric writes:

I and many others will not watch a video posted. Can you type out a coherent answer?

Basically what I said in the video was that to me, the flood story was symbolic..God always uses a remnant. I dont believe for a moment that Noah sent his boys up to Alaska to drag two kodiak bears down to their wooden boat.

The only way I could imagine two of every species being drawn to the Ark as opposed to being rounded up and captured by 8 humans would be if the Spirit supernaturally drew them to the Ark. How would that even be natural if bears couldn't swim across oceans? And if the supernatural need be invoked(or employed by the Creator) to make the story work, why not just wipe the whole etch a sketch out and start over?


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Message 292 of 304 (685617)
12-24-2012 8:02 AM
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12-24-2012 7:46 AM


Re: Hidden Wisdom -- The Literalists' Nightmare
Hey Phat, it might help if you had SOME knowledge of what creationists say about these things. Such as, for instance,

(1) that the land mass was all one continent at that time so that bears wouldn't have had to swim oceans to get to the ark;

(2) that all the "species" named today were most likely not yet in existence and all wouldn't have been required on the Ark anyway to provide the genetic basis for the variations that have occurred since, the point being there may not have been any Kodiak bears at that time because there wasn't a cold part of the planet, and if there were, such a specialized breed would probably not have been the choice for the Ark to supply the genes for further variation;

(3) that there was no fear of man in animals before the Flood, that came about after the Flood, so animals would have willingly come to Noah. Humans and animals were vegetarians. I wouldn't rule out the Holy Spirit calling the animals but animals do seem to have the ability to sense things that we don't anyway, such as weather changes, earthquakes, even cancer, and when somebody is going to die, so it COULD all have been simply animal instinct that brought them to the Ark.

Sorry you find it so hard to believe God.

Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

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He who surrenders the first page of his Bible surrenders all. --John William Burgon, Inspiration and Interpretation, Sermon II.

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Message 293 of 304 (685618)
12-24-2012 8:41 AM
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12-24-2012 8:02 AM


Re: Hidden Wisdom -- The Literalists' Nightmare
Faith writes:

Sorry you find it so hard to believe God.

I find that somewhat insulting, Faith. As a matter of fact, I think I have greater faith than you do....but of course that statement may insult you which is not my intention. Let me ask you this. Why does it have to be by the book? Why cant God...you know, the One whom is Jesus Christ and the Spirit...be real any other way than what your intellect can figure out?
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Message 294 of 304 (685620)
12-24-2012 8:59 AM
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12-24-2012 8:41 AM


Re: Hidden Wisdom -- The Literalists' Nightmare
Sorry you find it so hard to believe God.

I find that somewhat insulting, Faith. As a matter of fact, I think I have greater faith than you do....

But what is your faith IN? God as you think He ought to be? That's a major mistake a lot of people make. God gave us His word so we wouldn't have to be dependent on our own personal notions.

but of course that statement may insult you which is not my intention. Let me ask you this. Why does it have to be by the book? Why cant God...you know, the One whom is Jesus Christ and the Spirit...be real any other way than what your intellect can figure out?

But it's not Bible believers who are following our own intellect, it's those who REJECT the Bible or pick and choose from it who are following their own intellect. Saving faith believes God's word as God's word whether we can figure it out or not.

There is NO way to know ANYTHING about Jesus Christ outside the Bible, none, period. The Bible was given to us so we COULD know about Christ and everything else about the nature of God. Again, God gave us the Book because on our own we can't get anything right about Him, because our minds are fallen. Consider all the different religions in the world. They can't all be right because they all contradict each other. That's what the fallen mind comes up with on its own. It was a great mercy that God gave us His revelation, Phat, we shouldn't prefer our own thoughts over that great gift.

Yes, I know somebody, maybe even you, is going to answer Yeah but what makes YOUR holy book better than the other holy books?. Seems obvious to me but if it isn't obvious to others nothing much I can say to that. But you believe something and it's painful to watch you half believing but rejecting God's great gift or picking and choosing from it.


He who surrenders the first page of his Bible surrenders all. --John William Burgon, Inspiration and Interpretation, Sermon II.

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Message 295 of 304 (685624)
12-24-2012 9:55 AM
Reply to: Message 294 by Faith
12-24-2012 8:59 AM


Re: Hidden Wisdom -- The Literalists' Nightmare
Too funny.

Your faith seems to be in the Bible even though it was written by just unknown men while ignoring what God actually wrote.


Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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Message 296 of 304 (685628)
12-24-2012 10:31 AM
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12-24-2012 8:59 AM


Re: Hidden Wisdom -- The Literalists' Nightmare
There is NO way to know ANYTHING about Jesus Christ outside the Bible, none, period. The Bible was given to us so we COULD know about Christ and everything else about the nature of God.

Does this mean that anyone who has never read a Bible is damned?

Is God so limited so as to be unable to reach them any other way than through a book?


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Message 297 of 304 (685984)
12-28-2012 12:45 PM
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12-24-2012 8:59 AM


Re: Hidden Wisdom -- The Literalists' Nightmare
Faith writes:

There is NO way to know ANYTHING about Jesus Christ outside the Bible, none, period.


You can get the message without knowing anything about the messenger.
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Message 298 of 304 (686033)
12-28-2012 3:11 PM
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12-24-2012 10:31 AM


Re: Hidden Wisdom -- The Literalists' Nightmare
There is NO way to know ANYTHING about Jesus Christ outside the Bible, none, period. The Bible was given to us so we COULD know about Christ and everything else about the nature of God.

Does this mean that anyone who has never read a Bible is damned?

The entire human race is damned, we're born damned, we're born fallen, out of touch with God, spiritually dead, incapable of relating to God, and on top of that in thrall to Satan, who "won" the right to rule us when he deceived our first parents. God didn't HAVE to provide any kind of salvation for us, but He did, and He promised to do so all the way back in Eden when He promised to send the Seed of the woman who would bruise the head of Satan.

Those who understood the message, which at that time was of course passed on by word of mouth down through Adam's progeny, looked forward to the Messiah, and in every generation there were those who got the message and looked forward to the Messiah. Job did not have the Bible and yet he expected to see his Redeemer. Those who knew of the Redeemer would have been saved.

There were also distorted versions of the messianic hope that spawned many of the pagan religions, and nobody gets saved through a distorted message. If there are any now who still have the true message handed down through their own ancestry they too are saved, and some missionaries have reported surprising traditions that do seem to preserve such a message, and they receive the gospel gratefully. The odds aren't good that there are any more left, it's all degenerated into the distorted demon-driven religions.

So now we have to take the gospel to all the unreached peoples. It's the gospel that saves, not the Bible, but the Bible, again, is now our source of the information in undistorted form.

Is God so limited so as to be unable to reach them any other way than through a book?

See above.

ABE: I'd just add that NOW, 2000 years after the coming of the Messiah promised down through all the preceding centuries, NOW, when we have it all in undistorted written form inspired by God Himself, NOW, it would be extreme foolishness to think you can make up who God is and ignore the written testimony of the witnesses of Christ.

Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

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He who surrenders the first page of his Bible surrenders all. --John William Burgon, Inspiration and Interpretation, Sermon II.

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Message 299 of 304 (686053)
12-28-2012 3:50 PM
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12-28-2012 3:11 PM


Have you even read the Bible Faith?
The entire human race is damned, we're born damned, we're born fallen, out of touch with God, spiritually dead, incapable of relating to God, and on top of that in thrall to Satan, who "won" the right to rule us when he deceived our first parents. God didn't HAVE to provide any kind of salvation for us, but He did, and He promised to do so all the way back in Eden when He promised to send the Seed of the woman who would bruise the head of Satan.

Utter nonsense. There is nothing like that in the Bible story of Genesis 2&3. In fact the Bible specifically refutes that position if you would bother to read it. Neither Adam or (ST)Eve were incapable of relating to God or out of touch with God or fallen (in fact they received the great gift of knowledge of good and evil and became like God). And Satan is not even mentioned in the story.

Genesis writes:

Genesis 2-4

King James Version (KJV)

2 Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.

2 And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.

3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.

4 These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the Lord God made the earth and the heavens,

5 And every plant of the field before it was in the earth, and every herb of the field before it grew: for the Lord God had not caused it to rain upon the earth, and there was not a man to till the ground.

6 But there went up a mist from the earth, and watered the whole face of the ground.

7 And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

8 And the Lord God planted a garden eastward in Eden; and there he put the man whom he had formed.

9 And out of the ground made the Lord God to grow every tree that is pleasant to the sight, and good for food; the tree of life also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of knowledge of good and evil.

10 And a river went out of Eden to water the garden; and from thence it was parted, and became into four heads.

11 The name of the first is Pison: that is it which compasseth the whole land of Havilah, where there is gold;

12 And the gold of that land is good: there is bdellium and the onyx stone.

13 And the name of the second river is Gihon: the same is it that compasseth the whole land of Ethiopia.

14 And the name of the third river is Hiddekel: that is it which goeth toward the east of Assyria. And the fourth river is Euphrates.

15 And the Lord God took the man, and put him into the garden of Eden to dress it and to keep it.

16 And the Lord God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:

17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

18 And the Lord God said, It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him.

19 And out of the ground the Lord God formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air; and brought them unto Adam to see what he would call them: and whatsoever Adam called every living creature, that was the name thereof.

20 And Adam gave names to all cattle, and to the fowl of the air, and to every beast of the field; but for Adam there was not found an help meet for him.

21 And the Lord God caused a deep sleep to fall upon Adam, and he slept: and he took one of his ribs, and closed up the flesh instead thereof;

22 And the rib, which the Lord God had taken from man, made he a woman, and brought her unto the man.

23 And Adam said, This is now bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh: she shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of Man.

24 Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh.

25 And they were both naked, the man and his wife, and were not ashamed.

3 Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the Lord God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?

2 And the woman said unto the serpent, We may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden:

3 But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die.

4 And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:

5 For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.

6 And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat.

7 And the eyes of them both were opened, and they knew that they were naked; and they sewed fig leaves together, and made themselves aprons.

8 And they heard the voice of the Lord God walking in the garden in the cool of the day: and Adam and his wife hid themselves from the presence of the Lord God amongst the trees of the garden.

9 And the Lord God called unto Adam, and said unto him, Where art thou?

10 And he said, I heard thy voice in the garden, and I was afraid, because I was naked; and I hid myself.

11 And he said, Who told thee that thou wast naked? Hast thou eaten of the tree, whereof I commanded thee that thou shouldest not eat?

12 And the man said, The woman whom thou gavest to be with me, she gave me of the tree, and I did eat.

13 And the Lord God said unto the woman, What is this that thou hast done? And the woman said, The serpent beguiled me, and I did eat.

14 And the Lord God said unto the serpent, Because thou hast done this, thou art cursed above all cattle, and above every beast of the field; upon thy belly shalt thou go, and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life:

15 And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.

16 Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee.

17 And unto Adam he said, Because thou hast hearkened unto the voice of thy wife, and hast eaten of the tree, of which I commanded thee, saying, Thou shalt not eat of it: cursed is the ground for thy sake; in sorrow shalt thou eat of it all the days of thy life;

18 Thorns also and thistles shall it bring forth to thee; and thou shalt eat the herb of the field;

19 In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return.

20 And Adam called his wife's name Eve; because she was the mother of all living.

21 Unto Adam also and to his wife did the Lord God make coats of skins, and clothed them.

22 And the Lord God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:

23 Therefore the Lord God sent him forth from the garden of Eden, to till the ground from whence he was taken.

24 So he drove out the man; and he placed at the east of the garden of Eden Cherubims, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to keep the way of the tree of life.

4 And Adam knew Eve his wife; and she conceived, and bare Cain, and said, I have gotten a man from the Lord.

2 And she again bare his brother Abel. And Abel was a keeper of sheep, but Cain was a tiller of the ground.

3 And in process of time it came to pass, that Cain brought of the fruit of the ground an offering unto the Lord.

4 And Abel, he also brought of the firstlings of his flock and of the fat thereof. And the Lord had respect unto Abel and to his offering:

5 But unto Cain and to his offering he had not respect. And Cain was very wroth, and his countenance fell.

6 And the Lord said unto Cain, Why art thou wroth? and why is thy countenance fallen?

7 If thou doest well, shalt thou not be accepted? and if thou doest not well, sin lieth at the door. And unto thee shall be his desire, and thou shalt rule over him.

8 And Cain talked with Abel his brother: and it came to pass, when they were in the field, that Cain rose up against Abel his brother, and slew him.

9 And the Lord said unto Cain, Where is Abel thy brother? And he said, I know not: Am I my brother's keeper?

10 And he said, What hast thou done? the voice of thy brother's blood crieth unto me from the ground.

11 And now art thou cursed from the earth, which hath opened her mouth to receive thy brother's blood from thy hand;

12 When thou tillest the ground, it shall not henceforth yield unto thee her strength; a fugitive and a vagabond shalt thou be in the earth.

13 And Cain said unto the Lord, My punishment is greater than I can bear.

14 Behold, thou hast driven me out this day from the face of the earth; and from thy face shall I be hid; and I shall be a fugitive and a vagabond in the earth; and it shall come to pass, that every one that findeth me shall slay me.

15 And the Lord said unto him, Therefore whosoever slayeth Cain, vengeance shall be taken on him sevenfold. And the Lord set a mark upon Cain, lest any finding him should kill him.

16 And Cain went out from the presence of the Lord, and dwelt in the land of Nod, on the east of Eden.

17 And Cain knew his wife; and she conceived, and bare Enoch: and he builded a city, and called the name of the city, after the name of his son, Enoch.

18 And unto Enoch was born Irad: and Irad begat Mehujael: and Mehujael begat Methusael: and Methusael begat Lamech.

19 And Lamech took unto him two wives: the name of the one was Adah, and the name of the other Zillah.

20 And Adah bare Jabal: he was the father of such as dwell in tents, and of such as have cattle.

21 And his brother's name was Jubal: he was the father of all such as handle the harp and organ.

22 And Zillah, she also bare Tubalcain, an instructer of every artificer in brass and iron: and the sister of Tubalcain was Naamah.

23 And Lamech said unto his wives, Adah and Zillah, Hear my voice; ye wives of Lamech, hearken unto my speech: for I have slain a man to my wounding, and a young man to my hurt.

24 If Cain shall be avenged sevenfold, truly Lamech seventy and sevenfold.

25 And Adam knew his wife again; and she bare a son, and called his name Seth: For God, said she, hath appointed me another seed instead of Abel, whom Cain slew.

26 And to Seth, to him also there was born a son; and he called his name Enos: then began men to call upon the name of the Lord.


Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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Message 300 of 304 (686190)
12-29-2012 5:15 PM
Reply to: Message 294 by Faith
12-24-2012 8:59 AM


Re: Hidden Wisdom -- The Literalists' Nightmare
First off I have been too busy to post on this forum for an extended time so I apologise for not replying to unanswered posts.

Faith writes:

But what is your faith IN? God as you think He ought to be? That's a major mistake a lot of people make. God gave us His word so we wouldn't have to be dependent on our own personal notions.

I'm happy to answer your question but I'd like to ask you one first. On what basis do you base your belief in an inerrant Bible? Is it a case that it is entirely by faith or is there some other reason to believe that for all intents and purposes the Bible is dictated to us by God?

Faith writes:

But it's not Bible believers who are following our own intellect, it's those who REJECT the Bible or pick and choose from it who are following their own intellect. Saving faith believes God's word as God's word whether we can figure it out or not.

Would it be the case that you believe that when Jesus corrects the teachings of Moses that God has different desires for different people of different times?

Faith writes:

There is NO way to know ANYTHING about Jesus Christ outside the Bible, none, period. The Bible was given to us so we COULD know about Christ and everything else about the nature of God. Again, God gave us the Book because on our own we can't get anything right about Him, because our minds are fallen. Consider all the different religions in the world. They can't all be right because they all contradict each other. That's what the fallen mind comes up with on its own. It was a great mercy that God gave us His revelation, Phat, we shouldn't prefer our own thoughts over that great gift.

If someone could shake your belief about Noah and a world wide flood would you then reject the whole account of Jesus and His resurrection?


He has told you, O man, what is good ; And what does the LORD require of you But to do justice, to love kindness, And to walk humbly with your God.

Micah 6:8


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Message 301 of 304 (686220)
12-30-2012 12:30 AM
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12-29-2012 5:15 PM


Re: Hidden Wisdom -- The Literalists' Nightmare
AbE: 12/30 This thread was not in summation mode when I posted my answer to GDR but now I can't post another? Something wrong here.

I would just like to suggest that if anybody cares about threads degenerating into exchanges of insults, Tanypteryx and Dr. A's recent offerings ought to get them a good smack in the teeth. Of course if nobody cares, fine.

LATER: In answer to GDR's Summation:

Please don't start a new thread, I really am not up to discussing all this with you. Thanks.

===============================
What I wrote to GDR:
Answers to your questions:

1) Faith plus experience = knowledge.

2) As far as I know, Jesus didn't correct Moses about anything, but since you don't bother to say what you have in mind I suspect something not quite aboveboard.

3) You can't imagine how solidly I KNOW the Bible is God's word.

Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

Edited by Faith, : No reason given.


He who surrenders the first page of his Bible surrenders all. --John William Burgon, Inspiration and Interpretation, Sermon II.

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Message 302 of 304 (686259)
12-30-2012 2:27 PM
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Re: Hidden Wisdom -- The Literalists' Nightmare
Faith writes:

3) You can't imagine how solidly I KNOW the Bible is God's word.

You can't imagine how solidly I KNOW that you do not know anything about anything.


What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy


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