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Wounded King
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Message 121 of 142 (644419)
12-17-2011 7:00 PM
Reply to: Message 119 by Portillo
12-17-2011 6:51 PM


Do those quotation marks actually mean you are quoting someone, presumably Dawkins or Crick, or are they just there to give the impression that you are? That quote you just gave us is substantially different from the previous quote you provided, which didn't have the word 'random' in it once.

TTFN,

WK


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Message 122 of 142 (644420)
12-17-2011 8:01 PM
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12-17-2011 6:51 PM


Nothing more than
portlilo writes:

So if Cricks and Dawkins theories are "nothing more than random behaviour of nerve cells and molecules", why should we listen to them?

I don't think you should take particular notice of either Crick or Dawkins, they really have no knowledge of their own about neuroscience, but if you're genuinely interested in how our brain actually works, you should listen to those who work in the field.

You should also drop the 'nothing more than' phrase - it belittles what the brain accomplishes.


Life, don't talk to me about life.

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Message 123 of 142 (644427)
12-17-2011 9:12 PM
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12-17-2011 7:00 PM


No it wasnt a quote from Crick or Dawkins.

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And the conspiracy was strong, for the people increased continually - 2 Samuel 15:12

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Message 124 of 142 (644435)
12-17-2011 10:01 PM
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12-17-2011 9:12 PM


No it wasnt a quote from Crick or Dawkins.

Who were you quoting?


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zi ko
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Message 125 of 142 (649749)
01-25-2012 12:35 PM
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12-02-2011 7:48 AM


Brain is a functual extension of DNA
Overpowering human brains

According to my theory (www.sleepgadgetabs.com) neural system and brain is the functual extention of DNA. As information man has to cope with, is increasing all the time, he has to have a growing brain in size and ability.There is no limit in it, except the bone structures. This is an indication that our evolution is not just an issue only of surviving, but also of amount of information we are accepting, although this relates to survival .

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Message 126 of 142 (649771)
01-25-2012 1:24 PM
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01-25-2012 12:35 PM


Re: Brain is a functual extension of DNA
Is this yet another idea of yours that you will freely admit you have no evidence for?

The above ontological example models the zero premise to BB theory. It does so by applying the relative uniformity assumption that the alleged zero event eventually ontologically progressed from the compressed alleged sub-microscopic chaos to bloom/expand into all of the present observable order, more than it models the Biblical record evidence for the existence of Jehovah, the maximal Biblical god designer.
-Attributed to Buzsaw Message 53

The explain to them any scientific investigation that explains the existence of things qualifies as science and as an explanation
-Attributed to Dawn Bertot Message 286

Does a query (thats a question Stile) that uses this physical reality, to look for an answer to its existence and properties become theoretical, considering its deductive conclusions are based against objective verifiable realities.
-Attributed to Dawn Bertot Message 134


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Message 127 of 142 (649878)
01-26-2012 8:44 AM
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01-25-2012 12:35 PM


Re: Brain is a functual extension of DNA
Hi Zi Ko,

Please stop posting to this thread. Thanks.


--Percy
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Message 128 of 142 (650002)
01-27-2012 1:12 AM
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01-26-2012 8:44 AM


Re: Brain is a functual extension of DNA
Hi Percy,
what is your problem?
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zi ko
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Message 129 of 142 (650004)
01-27-2012 1:26 AM
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01-25-2012 1:24 PM


Re: Brain is a functual extension of DNA
Is this yet another idea of yours that you will freely admit you have no evidence for?

Is it so bad?
Anyway you may be interested to read the views o Jablonca About neural system.
, we regard the emergence of the nervous system as a major transition. The evolution of a nervous system not only changed the way that information was transmitted between cells and profoundly altered the nature of the individuals in which it was present, it also led to a new type of hereditysocial and cultural hereditybased on the transmission of behaviourally acquired information.
"The evolution of information in the major transitions". Journal of Theoretical Biology 239 (2): 236246.
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Message 130 of 142 (650009)
01-27-2012 3:18 AM
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01-27-2012 1:26 AM


Re: Brain is a functual extension of DNA
Yes it is so bad.

Cultural and social heredity? Only possible via learning.

We all knew that.


The above ontological example models the zero premise to BB theory. It does so by applying the relative uniformity assumption that the alleged zero event eventually ontologically progressed from the compressed alleged sub-microscopic chaos to bloom/expand into all of the present observable order, more than it models the Biblical record evidence for the existence of Jehovah, the maximal Biblical god designer.
-Attributed to Buzsaw Message 53

The explain to them any scientific investigation that explains the existence of things qualifies as science and as an explanation
-Attributed to Dawn Bertot Message 286

Does a query (thats a question Stile) that uses this physical reality, to look for an answer to its existence and properties become theoretical, considering its deductive conclusions are based against objective verifiable realities.
-Attributed to Dawn Bertot Message 134


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Panda
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Message 131 of 142 (650014)
01-27-2012 4:39 AM
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01-27-2012 3:18 AM


Re: Brain is a functual extension of DNA
...

Edited by Panda, : No reason given.


If I were you
And I wish that I were you
All the things I'd do
To make myself turn blue

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Message 132 of 142 (650015)
01-27-2012 4:40 AM
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01-27-2012 1:26 AM


Re: Brain is a functual extension of DNA
Zi Ko writes:

Anyway you may be interested to read the views o Jablonca About neural system.

quote:
...social and cultural heredity...
OMG!
Parents teaching children; seniors teaching juniors; society teaching society!

Why has no-one mentioned this before??!!!


If I were you
And I wish that I were you
All the things I'd do
To make myself turn blue

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zi ko
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Message 133 of 142 (650060)
01-27-2012 10:50 AM
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01-27-2012 3:18 AM


Re: Brain is a functual extension of DNA
Cultural and social heredity? Only possible via learning.
We all knew that.

So you accept that there are different about heredity wiews from those of current theory in serious scientific community.


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zi ko
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Message 134 of 142 (650064)
01-27-2012 11:10 AM
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Re: Brain is a functual extension of DNA
OMG!
Parents teaching children; seniors teaching juniors; society teaching society!
Why has no-one mentioned this before??!!!


Jablonca and others are offering much needed new ideas. It willtake time before they are entirely formulated and widely accepted. To me it is hopeful that these exist.It means that that simplicit idea of DNA alone being randomly mutated is the only mechanism responsible for the present and past world is at least cracking .

Edited by zi ko, : No reason given.


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Wounded King
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Message 135 of 142 (650070)
01-27-2012 11:30 AM
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01-27-2012 11:10 AM


Not every topic is your topic
It means that that simplicit idea of DNA alone being randomly mutated is the only mechanism responsible for the present and past world is at least cracking .

Yes thank goodness we can at last see the back of that ludicrous bloated strawman that no-one in the world has ever suggested to be the case. If only the same could be said of your hollow plaintive cries, spreading from thread to thread, that we should pay attention to your nonsensical assertions.

TTFN,

WK


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