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Author Topic:   Evolution is True Because Life Needs It
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Message 10 of 188 (644717)
12-20-2011 10:02 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by Invader Scooch
12-17-2011 2:36 AM


Here I present my first argument for why there is evolution.
The answer to the above statement is simply because life needs it.
To elaborate, I must point out a phenomenon that our universe is irrefutably wrapped in, change.
Indeed.
But many creationists do accept that species, er kinds, are not static. They'll distinguish between micro- and macro- evolution, and move their position to being that, while kinds can change, one kind cannot become another, i.e. speciation.
The point? The universe has one constant factor that affects all things in it, and that is change. Delta. Triangle. And life is no different.
If we go by the Creation model, all life was just plopped down as it was with no mechanism to adhere to the change, no way to counteract its effects. Evolution provides this mechanism, provides the way to prosperity
There's not much in the way of "the Creation model", but even then, they do not have their kinds as static and unchanging.
Life is always changing, minutely to the human eye, but just as if I decided to splurge on candy bars, I wouldn't be fat instantly (though I'd sure feel that way), but over time, if I were to lead the sedentary lifestyle of the common couch potato, in a few weeks I would cause the bathroom scale to cry. The same is true for life.
Sorta, just don't conflate individuals with populations. I'm sure you know that individuals don't evolve.

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Message 12 of 188 (644928)
12-21-2011 4:01 PM
Reply to: Message 11 by Invader Scooch
12-21-2011 3:19 PM


While I do agree there is no one model for Creation, I still need a Creationist to reply. All the responses have generally been Evolution peoples.
If you are on the Creation side of things, please respond.
Okay, I've just converted. I'm a Creationist now (with a capital C - do you consider theistic evolutionists to be creationists? - small c).
So what's up?
Kinds aren't static and unchanging, microevolution is acceptable.
And the Micro-Macro evolution debate is cute until you realize that Macro Evolution is just eons of Micro-Evolution added together.
You can't just expect a Creationist to accept that as a given.
Edited by Catholic Scientist, : No reason given.

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Message 32 of 188 (646208)
01-03-2012 4:33 PM
Reply to: Message 30 by mike the wiz
01-03-2012 4:03 PM


Re: Fun with Strawmen!
Mabye this will help, Mike:

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Message 83 of 188 (653458)
02-21-2012 10:53 AM
Reply to: Message 68 by markl67
02-20-2012 9:37 PM


Basically anyone who discounts the evolution model is a religious nut job or a laughable fanatic of some sort.
I know! Right? What's up with that!?
Its just like the people who thought the Earth was flat, or at the center of the universe.
I guess people just don't like it when their religious beliefs are challenged. Unfortuantely for them, science works. Nobody in their right mind thinks the Earth is flat anymore.
As a believer in creation (ID) it seems to me that the evolution hypothesis attempts to build its case from the 2nd floor up.
Okay, well, life is here. That's inarguable. Too, its diverse. So how the hell did that happen? That's the question. We don't have to figure out how it got here to figure out how it diversified.
All life and the perfect order of the universe could not have come into existence by random chance.
No evolutionist proposes otherwise.
I guess the bottom line is it takes faith to believe either argument which ironically makes evolution a form of religion.
This is always an interesting argument to me (and one that doesn't seem particularly though-out): "Oh yeah, well evolution requires faith too!"
So what's so bad about having faith that it would be an insult to an evolutionist? Doesn't that insult faith, itself?
Creationists have nothing to lose...if we're wrong then we all die like dogs and this life is all there is...
What if God created us by the process outlined in the Theory of Evolution? Then you'd be wrong and still have something to loose, right?

The truth of our faith becomes a matter of ridicule among the infidels if any Catholic, not gifted with the necessary scientific learning, presents as dogma what scientific scrutiny shows to be false. - St. Thomas Aquinas

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Message 143 of 188 (670978)
08-21-2012 12:20 PM
Reply to: Message 142 by barnes
08-21-2012 12:11 PM


Re: Evolution problem
Species don't evolve because of random chance, there's selective pressure too.

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Message 146 of 188 (670986)
08-21-2012 12:38 PM
Reply to: Message 145 by barnes
08-21-2012 12:33 PM


Re: Evolution problem
Wouldn’t selective pressure suggest chance or guidance?
The environment blindly guides the changes that arrise through chance.
Evolution is both guidance and chance.

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Message 150 of 188 (670999)
08-21-2012 1:35 PM
Reply to: Message 147 by barnes
08-21-2012 12:48 PM


Re: Evolution problem,silly story
Evolution; the changing of what is to what will be through either minute change or quantum leap.
Um, lets leave Scott Bakula out of this...
What was that supposed to mean?
Let’s fast forward to today 2012 the most spectacular event known to all evolution has occurred, witnessed by the entire world. Amazingly female elephants in Africa, Asia and in every zoo around the world have all given birth to a What, pending a name by a sufficiently important namer. The world is amazed by this quantum leap of evolution all eyes are glued to the TV watching the baby Whats. In a true twist of evolutionary fate all the new baby Whats are carnivorous and have subsequently devoured all the female elephants.
If that happened, then the Theory of Evolution would be falsified. That doesn't resemble to process outline in the ToE whatsoever.
because evolution has taken a four thousand year break so that we may debate.
But we can see animals changing right before our eyes...
Check this shit out:
Some russians domesticated some foxes and they exhibited all kinds of changes that weren't expected. Just by selecting the least aggressive foxes, they found that their coats and barking changed with it along for the ride.

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