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Coyote
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Message 71 of 188 (653419)
02-20-2012 10:43 PM
Reply to: Message 68 by markl67
02-20-2012 9:37 PM


Welcome!
As a believer in creation (ID) it seems to me that the evolution hypothesis attempts to build its case from the 2nd floor up. It cannot reasonably explain the origin of the "primordial ooze" from whence all life originated from.
Evolution does not need to explain origins. Any of several different origins could just as easily have led to the evolution that we see.
Something does not come from nothing.
How do you know?
All life and the perfect order of the universe could not have come into existence by random chance.
How do you know?
There probably will never be a "scientific model" for creation that will satisfy the other camp since any such model would be deemed religious in nature and not "superior" to the "accepted" evolutionary model.
What we have seen to date is that religion relies on dogma and scripture and the like while science relies on evidence, and evidence that has been well-tested. Religion ignores or denies any evidence that contradicts dogma and scripture, while science changes theories to accommodate any evidence that contradicts previous theories.
I guess the bottom line is it takes faith to believe either argument which ironically makes evolution a form of religion. Creationists have nothing to lose...if we're wrong then we all die like dogs and this life is all there is...
No, the bottom line is that religion relies on dogma and scripture and the like while science relies on evidence and testing that evidence to produce theories. Religion sticks to dogma and scripture no matter what, ignoring or denying anything that contradicts belief, while science changes as the evidence requires. There is no faith required for science, just evidence. In that, science is the exact opposite of religion.
I hope you stick around; you might just learn something here.

Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.

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Coyote
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Message 79 of 188 (653429)
02-21-2012 12:38 AM
Reply to: Message 74 by markl67
02-20-2012 11:27 PM


Re: Welcome!
You better believe I stick to scripture and I believe every word. God states He created everything in the beginning - seems as if the burden of proof is upon you to prove otherwise. You have made a choice to not believe because God is not something we can fully wrap our minds around so we look for other ways to explain the origins of life aka pride. I would disagree there is no faith required to believe your dogma.
Belief gets in the way of learning.
And you presented not a shred of evidence to support your belief.

Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.

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Coyote
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Message 80 of 188 (653430)
02-21-2012 12:44 AM
Reply to: Message 76 by markl67
02-20-2012 11:35 PM


Re: There will be a 101 level course on faith
There will be a 101 level course on faith...when every knee will bow...yours and mine.
But which faith?
...there are 19 major world religions which are subdivided into a total of 270 large religious groups, and many smaller ones. 34,000 separate Christian groups have been identified in the world. "Over half of them are independent churches that are not interested in linking with the big denominations."
Religions of the world: numbers of adherents; growth rates
And on what empirical evidence will you rely to determine which of these is the one true faith, if any one actually is?
At least science relies on empirical evidence to differentiate between competing ideas.

Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.

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Coyote
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Message 152 of 188 (671001)
08-21-2012 1:56 PM
Reply to: Message 151 by barnes
08-21-2012 1:50 PM


Silly creationist story
Tell me have these foxes given birth to, bobcats or more foxes?
Until you learn enough to get rid of this idea of one generation giving birth to an entirely different critter it really isn't worth trying to explain these things to you.
Edited by Coyote, : Missing word

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