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barnes
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Message 132 of 188 (670887)
08-20-2012 6:01 PM


Evolution problem
I’m sure we can all agree life is more complex than a 350 Chevy engine. My proposal to the evolutionist, take a 350 Chevy put it on an engine dino run it up to peak performance rpm and rebuild it in to a Duramax diesel the hole time never missing a beat. You boys get that one done and we can talk.

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Message 134 of 188 (670891)
08-20-2012 6:48 PM
Reply to: Message 133 by Coragyps
08-20-2012 6:09 PM


Re: Evolution problem
Thank you for the hello.Chevy reproducre engine everyday, and some with imperfections, they tend to break and get fixed under warranty. Never seen one break and turn into a Ford.

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Message 136 of 188 (670893)
08-20-2012 7:01 PM
Reply to: Message 134 by barnes
08-20-2012 6:48 PM


Re: Evolution problem
I think you boys are trying to tell me that the complexity of life happened through random chance. Well then my Ford mustang is pretty complex and my GMC envoy even more complex, if I get them baby’s up to high speed slam them together I might get me a Mercedes Benz.

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Message 137 of 188 (670894)
08-20-2012 7:06 PM
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08-20-2012 6:49 PM


Re: Evolution problem
Sorry, but if you can't rebuild a running engine you haven't got much of a leg to stand on.
Edited by barnes, : No reason given.

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barnes
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Message 142 of 188 (670976)
08-21-2012 12:11 PM
Reply to: Message 139 by Dr Adequate
08-20-2012 9:44 PM


Re: Evolution problem
Oh I apologize for using the word random in front of chance. You are correct chance is chance, May I make a chance and what might be random chance statement. Chance; I buy a lottery ticket, it wins. What might be construed as random chance; I pick up a lottery ticket from the side walk and it is a winner. Yes they are both chance one being a sought after chance and the other being a what, greater chance without a preconceived end result. Please enlighten me that I might not make the same mistake.
Edited by barnes, : No reason given.

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Message 144 of 188 (670981)
08-21-2012 12:25 PM
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08-21-2012 10:29 AM


Re: Evolution problem
Oh, The Keeper, would that be God? Worry not fellas I reconciled myself to him though his Son Jesus Christ years ago.

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barnes
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Message 145 of 188 (670985)
08-21-2012 12:33 PM
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08-21-2012 12:20 PM


Re: Evolution problem
Like the jump picture, I rode dirt bike for years knees won’t do it anymore . Wouldn’t selective pressure suggest chance or guidance?

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Message 147 of 188 (670987)
08-21-2012 12:48 PM
Reply to: Message 145 by barnes
08-21-2012 12:33 PM


Re: Evolution problem,silly story
Evolution; the changing of what is to what will be through either minute change or quantum leap. Let’s fast forward to today 2012 the most spectacular event known to all evolution has occurred, witnessed by the entire world. Amazingly female elephants in Africa, Asia and in every zoo around the world have all given birth to a What, pending a name by a sufficiently important namer. The world is amazed by this quantum leap of evolution all eyes are glued to the TV watching the baby Whats. In a true twist of evolutionary fate all the new baby Whats are carnivorous and have subsequently devoured all the female elephants. In the true form of nature all the baby Whats are being eaten, without the protection of their mothers, by, may I say the Lions, Tigers and Bears oh my. Those that have not been eaten are being trampled by the male elephants when the baby Whats try to bit them. Oh how inhumane the evolutionary world is, what irony when nature is left alone it doesn’t pamper what is incomplete nature destroys the incomplete without hatred, anger or remorse. So here I wait for the next What to be birthed, because evolution has taken a four thousand year break so that we may debate.

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Message 151 of 188 (671000)
08-21-2012 1:50 PM
Reply to: Message 150 by New Cat's Eye
08-21-2012 1:35 PM


Re: Evolution problem,silly story
Question; would the lest aggressive fox survive in the dog eat dog world of natural selection? Tell me have these foxes given birth to, bobcats or more foxes? Wouldn’t these foxes be an example of adaption through man made manipulation? My apps that last sentance sliped through my proread.
Edited by barnes, : No reason given.

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Message 154 of 188 (671005)
08-21-2012 2:40 PM
Reply to: Message 152 by Coyote
08-21-2012 1:56 PM


Re: Silly creationist story
Again I apologize. I did not realize one could have minute changes in say the heart, lungs or liver without being detrimental. Wouldn’t those things be called defects, say mitral valve prolapse? That deformity is generally repaired not celebrated.

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barnes
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Message 156 of 188 (671010)
08-21-2012 3:12 PM
Reply to: Message 154 by barnes
08-21-2012 2:40 PM


Re: Silly creationist story
How can breeding foxes i.e.; fox A, with fox B, to get fox C be remotely close to natural selection? I guess I don’t get it; wouldn’t that be more of a demonstration of how man got dogs from wolf? I.e. the dog exists because of man’s manipulation of the wolf, not by nature’s production of the dog.

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Message 157 of 188 (671012)
08-21-2012 3:20 PM
Reply to: Message 155 by Dr Adequate
08-21-2012 3:02 PM


Re: Silly creationist story
Isn’t the cell just a smaller demonstration of complexity with in the whole? I.e. one cannot pull the piston out of a running engine without failure of the whole?

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barnes
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Message 159 of 188 (671014)
08-21-2012 3:27 PM
Reply to: Message 157 by barnes
08-21-2012 3:20 PM


Re: Silly creationist story
biology
   [bahy-ol-uh-jee] Show IPA
noun
1.
the science of life or living matter in all its forms and phenomena, especially with reference to origin, growth, reproduction, structure, and behavior.
2.
the living organisms of a region: the biology of Pennsylvania.
3.
the biological phenomena characteristic of an organism or a group of organisms: the biology of a worm
Call me crazy but I belive it says origin, growth, reproduction, structure, and behavior.

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Message 161 of 188 (671016)
08-21-2012 3:35 PM
Reply to: Message 159 by barnes
08-21-2012 3:27 PM


Re: Silly creationist story
I never have seen an engine run, with a failure in a piston, for any length of time before catastrophic failure. This does not demonstrate a good end result.

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Message 163 of 188 (671018)
08-21-2012 3:49 PM
Reply to: Message 160 by rueh
08-21-2012 3:28 PM


Re: Silly creationist story
Rueh: Good explanation. I am still at a loss, the word selection assumes thought. What dose nature ultimately select and why haven’t we seen any advancement in what we have. Has nature maid her Ultimate selection?

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