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barnes
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Message 136 of 188 (670893)
08-20-2012 7:01 PM
Reply to: Message 134 by barnes
08-20-2012 6:48 PM


Re: Evolution problem
I think you boys are trying to tell me that the complexity of life happened through random chance. Well then my Ford mustang is pretty complex and my GMC envoy even more complex, if I get them baby’s up to high speed slam them together I might get me a Mercedes Benz.
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barnes
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Message 137 of 188 (670894)
08-20-2012 7:06 PM
Reply to: Message 135 by Admin
08-20-2012 6:49 PM


Re: Evolution problem
Sorry, but if you can't rebuild a running engine you haven't got much of a leg to stand on.

Edited by barnes, : No reason given.


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Message 138 of 188 (670899)
08-20-2012 7:53 PM
Reply to: Message 137 by barnes
08-20-2012 7:06 PM


Re: Evolution problem
Hi Barnes,

If you'd like to discuss how evolution is like rebuilding running engines then please propose a new topic over at Proposed New Topics.

As a moderator I don't have a position on the issue of evolution, but I do have a position on what topics are being discussed in each thread. If you continue off-topic in this thread then I will remove your posting permissions in this forum.


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Dr Adequate
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Message 139 of 188 (670905)
08-20-2012 9:44 PM
Reply to: Message 136 by barnes
08-20-2012 7:01 PM


Re: Evolution problem
I think you boys are trying to tell me that the complexity of life happened through random chance.

That would be just one among the many things you are wrong about. No-one has tried to tell you that. Here's a way to find out if someone tells you that: someone will actually tell you that.

By the way, what is it about you guys and the phrase: "random chance"? Really, is there some sort of chance that isn't random? Would there be such a thing as "non-random chance"? Why do you even say stuff like this?


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Message 140 of 188 (670924)
08-21-2012 6:27 AM
Reply to: Message 139 by Dr Adequate
08-20-2012 9:44 PM


Re: Evolution problem
Dr. A writes:

By the way, what is it about you guys and the phrase: "random chance"? Really, is there some sort of chance that isn't random? Would there be such a thing as "non-random chance"? Why do you even say stuff like this?

I also wonder if they would deny winning the lottery because the odds of winning are so small.
"I think you boys are trying to tell me that I won the lottery through random chance. *rips up the ticket*"

"There is no great invention, from fire to flying, which has not been hailed as an insult to some god." J. B. S. Haldane

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Message 141 of 188 (670957)
08-21-2012 10:29 AM
Reply to: Message 137 by barnes
08-20-2012 7:06 PM


Re: Evolution problem
I'm sure this guy is a troll, completely uninterested in any real discussion. The alternative is even worse.

Let the keeper handle this one.


Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)

The apathy of the people is enough to make every statue leap from its pedestal and hasten the resurrection of the dead. William Lloyd Garrison.

“Choose silence of all virtues, for by it you hear other men's imperfections, and conceal your own.” George Bernard Shaw


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Message 142 of 188 (670976)
08-21-2012 12:11 PM
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08-20-2012 9:44 PM


Re: Evolution problem
Oh I apologize for using the word random in front of chance. You are correct chance is chance, May I make a chance and what might be random chance statement. Chance; I buy a lottery ticket, it wins. What might be construed as random chance; I pick up a lottery ticket from the side walk and it is a winner. Yes they are both chance one being a sought after chance and the other being a what, greater chance without a preconceived end result. Please enlighten me that I might not make the same mistake.

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Message 143 of 188 (670978)
08-21-2012 12:20 PM
Reply to: Message 142 by barnes
08-21-2012 12:11 PM


Re: Evolution problem
Species don't evolve because of random chance, there's selective pressure too.
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barnes
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Message 144 of 188 (670981)
08-21-2012 12:25 PM
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08-21-2012 10:29 AM


Re: Evolution problem
Oh, The Keeper, would that be God? Worry not fellas I reconciled myself to him though his Son Jesus Christ years ago.
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Message 145 of 188 (670985)
08-21-2012 12:33 PM
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08-21-2012 12:20 PM


Re: Evolution problem
Like the jump picture, I rode dirt bike for years knees won’t do it anymore . Wouldn’t selective pressure suggest chance or guidance?
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Message 146 of 188 (670986)
08-21-2012 12:38 PM
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08-21-2012 12:33 PM


Re: Evolution problem
Wouldn’t selective pressure suggest chance or guidance?

The environment blindly guides the changes that arrise through chance.

Evolution is both guidance and chance.


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barnes
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Message 147 of 188 (670987)
08-21-2012 12:48 PM
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08-21-2012 12:33 PM


Re: Evolution problem,silly story
Evolution; the changing of what is to what will be through either minute change or quantum leap. Let’s fast forward to today 2012 the most spectacular event known to all evolution has occurred, witnessed by the entire world. Amazingly female elephants in Africa, Asia and in every zoo around the world have all given birth to a What, pending a name by a sufficiently important namer. The world is amazed by this quantum leap of evolution all eyes are glued to the TV watching the baby Whats. In a true twist of evolutionary fate all the new baby Whats are carnivorous and have subsequently devoured all the female elephants. In the true form of nature all the baby Whats are being eaten, without the protection of their mothers, by, may I say the Lions, Tigers and Bears oh my. Those that have not been eaten are being trampled by the male elephants when the baby Whats try to bit them. Oh how inhumane the evolutionary world is, what irony when nature is left alone it doesn’t pamper what is incomplete nature destroys the incomplete without hatred, anger or remorse. So here I wait for the next What to be birthed, because evolution has taken a four thousand year break so that we may debate.
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Message 148 of 188 (670988)
08-21-2012 12:54 PM
Reply to: Message 147 by barnes
08-21-2012 12:48 PM


Re: Evolution problem,silly story
Is this how you think evolution works?

Or are you trying to be amusing?


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Message 149 of 188 (670989)
08-21-2012 12:55 PM
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08-21-2012 12:48 PM


Re: Evolution problem,silly story
So, to summarize, you have absolutely no idea what the theory of evolution actually says.

Well, that explains why you can't come up with a cogent argument against it.

There are books on the subject, you know. You don't have to spend the whole of the rest of your life wallowing in the filth of your own ignorance.


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Message 150 of 188 (670999)
08-21-2012 1:35 PM
Reply to: Message 147 by barnes
08-21-2012 12:48 PM


Re: Evolution problem,silly story
Evolution; the changing of what is to what will be through either minute change or quantum leap.

Um, lets leave Scott Bakula out of this...

What was that supposed to mean?

Let’s fast forward to today 2012 the most spectacular event known to all evolution has occurred, witnessed by the entire world. Amazingly female elephants in Africa, Asia and in every zoo around the world have all given birth to a What, pending a name by a sufficiently important namer. The world is amazed by this quantum leap of evolution all eyes are glued to the TV watching the baby Whats. In a true twist of evolutionary fate all the new baby Whats are carnivorous and have subsequently devoured all the female elephants.

If that happened, then the Theory of Evolution would be falsified. That doesn't resemble to process outline in the ToE whatsoever.

because evolution has taken a four thousand year break so that we may debate.

But we can see animals changing right before our eyes...

Check this shit out:

Some russians domesticated some foxes and they exhibited all kinds of changes that weren't expected. Just by selecting the least aggressive foxes, they found that their coats and barking changed with it along for the ride.


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