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Author Topic:   Well this is awkward... Used to be a YEC
GDR
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Message 5 of 358 (645160)
12-23-2011 9:42 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by agent_509
12-23-2011 9:10 PM


Welcome back and just a thought. The fundamentalist YEC version of Christianity is not really mainstream. It is interesting for instance that YEC types like to quote CS Lewis and then they find that Lewis has no problem with evoultion or any branch of science.
If you want a different take on Christianity you might look at some other threads on this forum. Here is one that is current.
A Problem With the Literal Interpretation of Scripture
We're all just searching for truth or as close as we can get to it eh? (Yes I am Canadian. ) You have sure picked interesting fields of study. Congrats.
Have a Merry Christmas or Happy Holidays if you prefer.

Everybody is entitled to my opinion.

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Message 83 of 358 (645694)
12-29-2011 2:42 AM
Reply to: Message 78 by Dawn Bertot
12-29-2011 12:22 AM


Re: Utter rubbish!
Dawn Bertot writes:
Science is simply a valid investigation of any property in existence
hence the term Criminal Science Investigation. Without knowing or having been present for or at the crime, they use an investigative process, scientifc in nature, to deduce the possible causes of the crime that was not witnessed
Creationism and ID follow the same premise, religion aside
It seems to me that science investigates the evidence to form a conclusion. Creationism and ID start with a conclusion and then form the evidence to support the conclusion.

Everybody is entitled to my opinion.

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GDR
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Message 139 of 358 (646063)
01-02-2012 5:27 PM
Reply to: Message 138 by subbie
01-02-2012 5:04 PM


Re: Welcome back!
I agree with your comments on Hugh Ross but there is Francis Collins is a world renowned scientist who calls himself an evangelical Christian. He refers to the DNA as the language of God and calls the evidence for evolution irrefutable. It wasn't the science that led him to faith but he finds his science and his faith not only compatible but overlapping.
He prefers the term BioLogos to Theistic Evolution but they mean the same thing.
Francis Collins in Time Magazine

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Message 358 of 358 (648618)
01-17-2012 2:23 AM


I don’t know what it was that caused agent 509 to lose his faith but if I had to believe in the Christianity of Dawn and Buz I would quickly lose mine as well. In the first place they don’t actually believe the message of the Scriptures, but at the same time they claim intimate knowledge of them.
Does anyone actually believe that a God whose intelligence is responsible for all of creation would also be petty enough to worry about what we believe about how we came into existence, or about a supposed flood a few thousand years ago?
The fundamentalists/literalists are the modern day equivalent of the Pharisees. It becomes all about me and my salvation as opposed to the message of Jesus which is about being loving stewards of God’s creation. It is about sacrificial love. Instead of putting our focus on ourselves we are to put the focus on God and neighbour. If our whole point is only about our own salvation then we have totally lost the point of it all. The Bible is clear that it is not about head knowledge. It is about having hearts that love unselfishly.
If you notice the fundamentalists spend a great deal of time arguing against evolution or arguing about the flood. I really have to wonder if they really believe that the God of creation, the loving God we see in Jesus would think that this is a good use of the gift of time that they have been given.
That form of Christianity IMHO is not the Christianity espoused by either Jesus or Paul, nor is it the Christianity of Augustine or Lewis. As I mentioned before, it is closer to the religion of the Pharisees and the Temple money changers than it is to the teachings of Jesus.

He has told you, O man, what is good ; And what does the LORD require of you But to do justice, to love kindness, And to walk humbly with your God.
Micah 6:8

  
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