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nwr
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Message 3 of 69 (645363)
12-26-2011 4:32 PM
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12-26-2011 3:45 PM


hsweet writes:
Are Multiverses Possible?
They are conceptually possible.
I suspect that you are asking whether they are physically possible. But, based on the way that we use it, "physical" means part of this universe. So the other universes in a multiverse would not be physical since they would not be part of this universe.
Apart from that technical point, I don't see the problem.
Whether discussing other universes is useful - that's a different question. I'm inclined to doubt the usefulness.

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Message 22 of 69 (645413)
12-26-2011 9:26 PM
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12-26-2011 4:41 PM


Re: non physical universes
hsweet writes:
How does one conceive of anything that is non physical?
That's based on the mathematics. Mathematicians conceive of much that is not physical.

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Message 32 of 69 (645432)
12-26-2011 11:01 PM
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12-26-2011 10:07 PM


Re: mathematics
hsweet writes:
Isn't mathematics ultimately relational to the physical?
No, there's a lot that isn't.
Hilbert's Hotel
the first uncountable ordinal
infinite dimensional vector spaces
p-adic number system
nowhere differentiable functions
Stone—Čech compactifications
We study lots of weird stuff.

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nwr
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Message 45 of 69 (645448)
12-27-2011 12:36 AM
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12-26-2011 11:09 PM


Re: mathematics
hsweet writes:
What can you do to make things meaningful to me?
That probably can't be done, without you spending some time learning higher math.
In any case, my point is made. I have no difficulty conceiving of things, and finding rich meaning in them, but things that you do not even find meaningful

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Message 49 of 69 (645474)
12-27-2011 9:56 AM
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12-27-2011 6:24 AM


Re: mathematics
nwr writes:
No, there's a lot that isn't...
cavediver writes:
Well, other than the entirety of quantum mechanics
There's a difference between saying that the mathematics is useful in physics, and saying that the mathematics is derived from what is observed in the physical world.

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Message 62 of 69 (645541)
12-27-2011 6:38 PM
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12-27-2011 5:13 PM


Re: Source of Creation
hsweet writes:
When you are discussing the origins of the universe, you are entering a netherworld where science and non-science collide.
I don't see any necessary collision, unless religion insists on having one.
I would say that it's an area where there is little common ground between science and non-science. But there no need for a fight to break out.

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