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Rahvin
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Message 104 of 337 (646401)
01-04-2012 3:26 PM
Reply to: Message 103 by New Cat's Eye
01-04-2012 3:18 PM


Re: SWTOR
Champions Online (kinda fun), LotR Online, Age of Conan (pretty, but not as fun as I'd hoped), City of Heroes/Villains, Aeon (not sure if it happened yet, might be later this month)...
Really, it's etting easier to list the ones that aren't F2P. Those would be WoW, Rift, and SWTOR. I'm sure there are a few others too.

The human understanding when it has once adopted an opinion (either as being the received opinion or as being agreeable to itself) draws all things else to support and agree with it.
- Francis Bacon
"There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old's life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs." - John Rogers

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Message 111 of 337 (646417)
01-04-2012 4:03 PM
Reply to: Message 110 by hooah212002
01-04-2012 3:55 PM


Re: SWTOR
I pay for WoW for myself and my fiance, and Champions Online for myself. We're soon going to buy SWTOR and I'll be paying for two subs to that as well (we'll drop WoW by the next expansion).
It saves me money, because we can spend our leisure time at home with a small monthly fee rather than going out to dinners and movies and bars and (gasp) shopping. The fiance has a taste for high-end designer handbags/shoes/clothes/jewelry.
$75 a month ($45 after October) may be a fair amount, but that's one decent dinner out, and it gives us hours of enjoyment almost every night.

The human understanding when it has once adopted an opinion (either as being the received opinion or as being agreeable to itself) draws all things else to support and agree with it.
- Francis Bacon
"There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old's life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs." - John Rogers

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Message 213 of 337 (646941)
01-07-2012 12:12 PM
Reply to: Message 211 by onifre
01-07-2012 12:02 PM


Re: Who's best?
Wouldn't that simply be determined by which society provides more freedom and liberties to it's citizens?
Are "freedoms and liberties" the ultimate goal of a society? Or are they themselves means to other ends? How do you measure them for comparison?
By the simple standard of "freedoms and liberties," the best culture would be a total anarchy like parts of Somalia where there are no laws or authorities to restrict freedom and liberty. That doesn't sound quite right to me.

The human understanding when it has once adopted an opinion (either as being the received opinion or as being agreeable to itself) draws all things else to support and agree with it.
- Francis Bacon
"There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old's life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs." - John Rogers

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Message 220 of 337 (646955)
01-07-2012 1:19 PM
Reply to: Message 216 by onifre
01-07-2012 12:27 PM


Re: Who's best?
Well of course not because that negates having actual freedom and liberties protected by laws. Anarchy is the antithesis of that. It's lawlessness, therefore no laws will be in effect to protect your rights, freedoms and liberties.
No, Onifre. Laws can never, ever ensure more freedom than you have without them. Laws are, by their nature, restrictions. Laws that "protect" freedoms only restrict the possible actions of government, which is irrelevant in an anarchy.
Laws against theft eliminate my liberty to take possession of what you own. Laws against assault restrict my freedom to punch you in the face.
Yes. To better living.
How do you measure better vs. worse living? How do freedoms and liberties automatically translate to better living?

The human understanding when it has once adopted an opinion (either as being the received opinion or as being agreeable to itself) draws all things else to support and agree with it.
- Francis Bacon
"There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old's life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs." - John Rogers

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