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Author Topic:   Does science ask and answer "why" questions?
jar
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Message 161 of 353 (647679)
01-10-2012 5:06 PM
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01-10-2012 5:00 PM


Re: Observations in the realm of thoughts
It matters to me because it is a fact.

Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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Message 162 of 353 (647680)
01-10-2012 5:07 PM
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01-10-2012 5:02 PM


Re: Dualism.......?
I do not try to reconcile those things.

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Message 166 of 353 (647685)
01-10-2012 5:25 PM
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01-10-2012 5:13 PM


Re: Observations in the realm of thoughts
Ah, no, you still seem to not understand.
Yes, it is possible to change what I think and believe, in fact I do it quite often. Today's sky is much nicer than yesterday's sky.
But I said that it was the ideal that is causeless, not what I think or believe but rather love, honor, faith, GOD that are causeless.

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jar
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Message 169 of 353 (647694)
01-10-2012 6:59 PM
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01-10-2012 5:28 PM


Re: Observations in the realm of thoughts
Not arguing for it, rather saying I believe that is true just as i believe I am a soul separate from my body and that GOD exists.

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Message 171 of 353 (647764)
01-11-2012 8:28 AM
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01-11-2012 8:15 AM


Re: Observations in the realm of thoughts
Of course I am a dualist and I still see no evidence that science can explain why I think something.
Science can address the mechanics, the neurons, the environment, my history, many of the mechanics but that still does not explain why I think what I think.
The problem is the meaning of the term why; you seem to see it as process, synonymous with how, while why can also mean purpose.

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Message 173 of 353 (647786)
01-11-2012 10:12 AM
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01-11-2012 10:09 AM


Re: Observations in the realm of thoughts
Sorry but knowing the process and mechanics does not explain the question which is "why I think something".

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jar
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Message 175 of 353 (647790)
01-11-2012 10:21 AM
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01-11-2012 10:20 AM


Re: Observations in the realm of thoughts
No, it tells me how I think something.

Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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jar
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Message 177 of 353 (647794)
01-11-2012 10:46 AM
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01-11-2012 10:33 AM


Re: Observations in the realm of thoughts
So you claim.
And I have never tried to substantiate any claim, rather simply presented the facts of what I believe.

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Message 179 of 353 (647805)
01-11-2012 11:55 AM
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01-11-2012 11:48 AM


Re: Observations in the realm of thoughts
I get your drift but see no relevance.
Rain falling is purely mechanics; rain does not decide to fall.
I'm getting ready to go out for sum lunch and considering which fountain pen to take with me; the Yard-o-Led Smythson, the Yard-o-Led Viceroy Pocket Victorian or the Grifos Nyloe Checkerboard Guilloche.
Science can help me understand the mechanics of how I make that decision, but it will not explain which one I will actually stick in my pocket and take along.

Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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jar
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Message 184 of 353 (647844)
01-11-2012 3:16 PM
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01-11-2012 11:58 AM


Re: Observations in the realm of thoughts
Because I myself have no idea which one I will pick or why I picked one over another.
And of course, no I did not exclude brain activity.

Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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jar
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Message 185 of 353 (647845)
01-11-2012 3:17 PM
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01-11-2012 12:19 PM


Re: Purposeful 'Why'
But it is irrelevant what can be reconciled with my beliefs. The question is why are these my unique beliefs?

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jar
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Message 186 of 353 (647847)
01-11-2012 3:18 PM
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01-11-2012 12:50 PM


Re: Observations in the realm of thoughts
But that still does not explain why I made those choices, only the mechanics of how I made those choices.

Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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jar
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Message 188 of 353 (647853)
01-11-2012 3:56 PM
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01-11-2012 3:49 PM


Re: Observations in the realm of thoughts
It would be far less interesting and pretty much worthless.

Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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jar
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Message 194 of 353 (647871)
01-11-2012 4:56 PM
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01-11-2012 4:14 PM


Re: Purposeful 'Why'
Well mayhaps some day it will, and if so I will reconsider my position.

Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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jar
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Message 195 of 353 (647872)
01-11-2012 4:57 PM
Reply to: Message 190 by Taq
01-11-2012 4:19 PM


Re: Observations in the realm of thoughts
Okay, if that is your position then of course you are free to believe that.

Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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