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New Cat's Eye
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Message 211 of 303 (650477)
01-31-2012 4:08 PM


some anecdotes
I was going to buy Skyrim, but then my firend said: "Wait, I can put a copy on your computer", so I didn't buy it. They definately lost that sale.
I downloaded and liked a NIN album, and I'm a big fan of Trent, so then I went and bought it to support him. He definately did not lose that sale.
The Louis CK thing was set up from the get-go, so I don't think that's a good example of how things will happen if any and all downloading is legalized.
If any and all downloading is legalized, then there will be loss of sales money. Its inevitable.
Cracking down tighter on downloading isn't the solution tho.

  
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Message 235 of 303 (650704)
02-02-2012 10:48 AM
Reply to: Message 229 by crashfrog
02-01-2012 11:31 AM


we're not there yet
we can look around the world as it exists now and see that, given the ease of piracy now, payments by audiences to artists are overwhelmingly a voluntary expression of support and patronage.
I don't think that's true. I don't think there's that many people who know how to pirate well. I think there's still plenty of people who are paying for stuff becuase they don't have the option not to (while still getting the stuff). I also think that those people, when given the option, will take the stuff and not pay for it. That would lead to a loss of payments by audiences to artists that we are not at now.

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Message 241 of 303 (650740)
02-02-2012 2:39 PM
Reply to: Message 236 by Huntard
02-02-2012 1:19 PM


Re: we're not there yet
Catholic Scientist writes:
I don't think that's true. I don't think there's that many people who know how to pirate well.
Really? It's as easy as...
Just because its easy doesn't mean people know how to do it.
Too, there's surrounding issues of burning the movie onto a DVD so you can watch it on TV - again, not difficult but still something that would have to be learned.
I'm thinking about people like my parents here... they don't really "get" computers. Heh, there's an old guy on the local radio show here who has a funny line:
quote:
I don't computer.
Or even if they're not too aware of all this, there's surely someone in their vicinity who is.
Yeah, 100 yards from my parents house is where I got my free copy of Skyrim. But my buddy ain't gonna sit around and burn them DVD's all day.
But when the Red Box came to town and they found out they could rent a movie for only a dollar, they were all over it. And I'm sure they'd love to watch all their movies for totally free and would if they were capable.
But right now they can't, and they pay for them. They don't care about patronizing the artists, or anything. They just "have" to pay for it so they do.
I didn't see this taken into account in Crash's position.

It's as easy as installing one program on your PC, going to a website, use a search function like google, and clicking on a link.
What's the good software and sites these days? I haven't pirated anything in years. I never got into the bit torrenting... the last software I used was peer-2-peer stuff like Limewire. It all started for me with the Scoure Exchange freshman year in college on the uber-fast T1 lines they had set up.
We got "0-day" movies... saw American Beauty on a monitor in a dormroom the day it hit the theaters. Hadn't even heard of it. It took a minute for that one to get traction and I remember someone being all: "Have you seen this movie yet!" and I go: "Uh, didn't I see that a couple months ago".
OH! Or Tony Hawk Pro-Skater on a modded playstation. Holy shit did we have blast with that game from day 0 to... shit... that was a long one.

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New Cat's Eye
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Message 250 of 303 (650753)
02-02-2012 3:22 PM
Reply to: Message 246 by Huntard
02-02-2012 2:54 PM


Re: we're not there yet
Well, ok. But one search in google will tell you everything.
But you gotta know what to search for. I doubt they've ever even heard the phrase "bit torrent".
Burn movies to watch them on a tv? It's called a media player and streaming. Pff, you live in the 2000's
I guess I do.
But they've got you, don't they? You're telling me you couldn't teach them: "Push this button, enter search term here, click on link", after you set up their computer for them?
Fuck that. I've got enough hassle as the family IT guy as it is. I don't want to add bit torrenting to the list.
Who's talking about DVD's, digital copies man, it's the future! Or rather, the present.
I still watch DVD's...
If I could rent all movies, digitally and in HD, for a dollar (that's like 75 cents over here), I'd stop downloading, immediately
Red Box doesn't carry the latest releases and I don't think they have bluerays.
Ok, fair enough. But really, A dollar? A dollar is too much to pay for a movie?
No, not at all. That wouldn't have anything to do with it. They've got money, but they'd still take the free route if they could.
Well, not sure if I should lay out pirating ways on the forum for all to see. Search on google for "Bittorent", or "how to torrent", and it will all be made clear. Just get the program they tell you to, go to the pirate bay, and download away. Might also want to google for "how to turn uploading off in my bittorrent client" though, seems people in the US get hammered rather quickly.
Fair enough. I'm sure I could figure it out. But then, I'd rather spend that time playing SWTOR or BF3
And that gets back to one of the points: I don't give a shit about patronizing the artists that made those games and I would have pirated them if I could have. But I can't, so they got my money.
Like I told Catholic Scientist, if I could download a digital HD copy of a movie as easily as I can now torrent it, and the price would be reasonable, I'd stop downloading it for free immediately. If say, something like Netflix came along, where I had to pay 20 Euros per month, and I could download and watch any movie I like at any time I like in HD, I'd say goodbye to torrents or usenet in a heartbeat. And funnily enough, most people I know also feel this way.
Yeah... The answer here is not things like SOPA, Hollywood needs to get their own version of Steam where we can just pay at home to watch the movie at home. That'd be tits.

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New Cat's Eye
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Message 253 of 303 (650757)
02-02-2012 3:53 PM
Reply to: Message 252 by Huntard
02-02-2012 3:38 PM


Re: we're not there yet
Ok, just saying, you could if you wanted to.
Yes, I could. Yet, they still have to pay for their movies.
If they didn't have to, they wouldn't.
No, not at all. That wouldn't have anything to do with it. They've got money, but they'd still take the free route if they could.
Why? Do they work for free?
No, its just that free is cheaper than, well, any cost. Everybody likes getting stuff for free. Not everybody cares about patronizing the artists, and I think most people don't. Crash's position seems to partially rest on people voluntarily paying when they don't have to. The Louis CK example is a skewed result, imho, because he marketed it as being that from the get-go. I think a lot of people paid to make the point, not because they cared about patronizing the artist.
And that gets back to one of the points: I don't give a shit about patronizing the artists that made those games and I would have pirated them if I could have. But I can't, so they got my money.
Well, I do, and most people I know also do.
I've bought CD's that I had already downloaded because I like the artist enough to patronize them. I don't doubt that it'll happen.
But I do doubt the idea that unfettered dowloading would not hurt the movie industry. Especially as being because people will voluntarily pay when they don't have to.
'twould be double D's sir, double D's I tell you!
I know, right! Why hasn't someone gotten on this yet?

I've found SWTOR to a bit "meh", for my taste. It's basically WoW, and I really don't enjoy that stuff anymore.
No, its basically Vanilla WoW... I'm enough of a Star Wars fanboy that I'd probably still enjoy the game even if it was worse. Regardless, I think its a good MMO. Its fresh and entertaining and I'm enjoying it. But then, I still like playing MMO's.

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New Cat's Eye
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Message 257 of 303 (650863)
02-03-2012 11:53 AM
Reply to: Message 254 by Tangle
02-02-2012 6:35 PM


Re: we're not there yet
But actually we only need one Netflix that holds all content. But that's a monopoly.... One way to not have a monopoly is to have many Netflix but how does that work, by limiting content to particular service providers? You can only get LW18 from NetflixA but LW21 is on NetflixB, so you have to pay two subscriptions? Dunno, but I do know that none of it works if content has no copyright.
I don't see why you'd have to limit the content. There's only one internets, but many ISP's... Just let NetflixA have whatever the want, or everything, and also let NetflixB do the same and then have the end-users pick whichever one they want. Maybe it could regional. NetflixA for people in this part of the country and NetflixB for those over there.

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