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Author Topic:   When does human life begin?
Wounded King
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Message 52 of 327 (649535)
01-24-2012 4:21 AM
Reply to: Message 51 by Just being real
01-24-2012 2:57 AM


the prognosis for the patient is almost 100% better than most coma patients, in that, within 9 months that "clump of skin" (as you put it) will have a fully functioning and healthy brain that is totally self aware.
The fact is that the chances of a new conceptus/zygote reaching successful term in 9 months is very far from 100% as has been detailed in several posts in this thread. Do you dispute the figures that have been quoted?
It is slightly confusing to say it is a 100% better chance, do you mean they have twice the chance or are you saying that no coma patients ever recover self awareness? Because if the first then some basis for these figures would be good, if the second then clearly you are engaging in hyperbole and just making numbers up to suit your rhetorical needs.
TTFN,
WK

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Wounded King
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Message 98 of 327 (649705)
01-25-2012 7:47 AM
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01-25-2012 5:53 AM


In context we were discussing specifically those zygotes that are being considered for termination.
Really, because you were replying to a post by Rahvin the major portion of which consisted of discussing the high rate of failure to implant and other forms of spontaneous abortion or miscarriage. Perhaps you could have made it a bit clearer exactly what direction you wished to move the goal posts in in your post rather than expecting us to divine it psychically.
So what you are saying is that your reply to Rhavin was actually in the context of a completely different discussion you were having with Perdition about people who were brain dead and fetuses rather than people in comas and the sort of embryos Rahvin was talking about? Perhaps it is I who should be watching you.
Also you appear not to know what a zygote is. A zygote is the initial one cell stage after fertilisation and the first few subsequent cell division, this develops into the morula at 32 cells and then into the blastocyst. All this happens within the first 5 days after fertilisation. An embryo is not considered a fetus until around the 9th week after fertilisation. But I suppose equivocating with these sort of distinctions is one of the primary strategies that those who object to abortion favour.
TTFN,
WK

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Wounded King
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Message 183 of 327 (650201)
01-28-2012 6:16 PM
Reply to: Message 182 by shadow71
01-28-2012 5:08 PM


So what was the point of this thread?
Yeah, I'm sure there are plenty of other anti abortion sites that will give you other similar answers "supported by scientific research". Most of the answers here have been supported by scientific research. The fact is that scientific research doesn't definitively answer the question because the question hinges upon an arbitrary judgement, of what constitutes a person or what constitutes a human life.
Why even start the thread if all you want is some tenuous argument to act as a fig leaf so you can pretend science falls in line with your already held beliefs?
Could you not just google 'pro-life science abortion'? Here.
TTFN,
WK
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