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Straggler
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Message 2 of 181 (649408)
01-23-2012 9:27 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by Phat
01-23-2012 9:23 AM


Can I ask what you think would be fair? In global terms that is. Surely you don't want a rise of the American middle class again at the expense of the third world?
I'm pretty sure you don't mean that. But it does sound like you are hankering for the good old days.....

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Straggler
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Message 7 of 181 (649417)
01-23-2012 9:47 AM
Reply to: Message 3 by Phat
01-23-2012 9:33 AM


Re: The ends justify the means
Phat writes:
I deserve it more than they do. Im American, and will not be a second or third class anything.
Phat I am not sure how seriously to take this. Are you winding us up?
Anyway - I think if you wanted attention to you are about to receive it.

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Message 16 of 181 (649427)
01-23-2012 10:07 AM
Reply to: Message 14 by Phat
01-23-2012 10:03 AM


Re: Frakos freakin revolution
You could always outsource the actual killing if you are not willing to do that job yourself. I hear some of these foreign guys will do anything for a price.
Oh wait.... Isn't that where your rant started
Phat - Are you drunk?
Edited by Straggler, : No reason given.

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Straggler
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Message 40 of 181 (649552)
01-24-2012 9:43 AM
Reply to: Message 34 by Buzsaw
01-23-2012 11:01 PM


Re: Re: Blessed Be The Wealthy Who Bless America.
Buz writes:
The American Enterprise Institute has all of the stats. You need to read the whole page to get the whole story. The Bush tax cuts cut the taxes of the wealthy the most but due to investment and incentive these same wealthy contributed record tax revenues, The stats are astounding and revealing.
So since the tax cuts in question were implemented everyone in the US has got wealthier, the richest have contributed more, the US economy has gone from strength to strength and all is well?
I am indeed astounded!!
I was under the misapprehension that there had been a major recession, that the gap between rich and poor had soared, that the incomes of those in the middle and bottom had stagnated or fallen, that those at the top were running off into the distance, that unemployment was rife and that the US deficit had grown.
I see that your link was written in 2007.
Were the figures this link is citing mistaking the property boom that preceded the financial crisis with some sort of right wing economic miracle?
I would suggest that it is this idea that we should just unleash the rich to make money any which way they can because ultimately we will all somehow benefit from their "innovation" that lies at the very heart of the problems we face today.
Wiki writes:
Statements by Bush, Vice President Dick Cheney, and Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist that these tax cuts effectively "paid for themselves" have been disputed by the CBPP,[5] the U.S. Treasury Department and the CBO.[6][7][8][9] Economist Paul Krugman wrote in 2007: "Supply side doctrine, which claimed without evidence that tax cuts would pay for themselves, never got any traction in the world of professional economic research, even among conservatives."[10] Since 2001, federal income tax revenues have remained below the 30-year average of 8.4% of GDP with the exception of 2007, and did not regain their 2000 dollar peak until 2006 (see chart at right).[11]
Some policy analysts and non-profit groups such as OMBWatch,[12] Center on Budget and Policy Priorities,[13] and the Tax Policy Center[14] have attributed much of the rise in income inequality to the Bush administration's tax policy. In February 2007, President Bush addressed the rise of inequality for the first time, saying "The reason is clear: We have an economy that increasingly rewards education and skills because of that education."
Critics state that the tax cuts, including those given to middle and lower income households, failed to spur growth. The cuts also increased the budget deficit, shifted the tax burden from the rich to the middle and working classes, and further increased already high levels of income inequality. Economists Peter Orszag and William Gale described the Bush tax cuts as reverse government redistribution of wealth, "[shifting] the burden of taxation away from upper-income, capital-owning households and toward the wage-earning households of the lower and middle classes."
Link
I suspect that this chimes more with people's actual real-life experience than the economic utopia described in your post.

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Straggler
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Message 52 of 181 (649828)
01-25-2012 6:05 PM
Reply to: Message 50 by Phat
01-25-2012 3:12 PM


Re: Domestic fairness versus global fairness
Phat writes:
I believe that my father earned my spot for me through his labor.
Well you might believe that but unless anyone else does it won't count for much.
You aren't the first member of an imperialist and once dominant nation to resist the passing of the baton.......

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Straggler
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Message 63 of 181 (649876)
01-26-2012 8:20 AM
Reply to: Message 59 by onifre
01-26-2012 3:08 AM


Re: Domestic fairness versus global fairness
Oni writes:
Who the heck is better than the US?
By what measure?
See Message 62 for some possible ideas for relevant criteria.

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Straggler
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Message 74 of 181 (649936)
01-26-2012 3:42 PM
Reply to: Message 65 by onifre
01-26-2012 9:41 AM


Re: Domestic fairness versus global fairness
The new Oni is a dickwad
I don't like him.
Dark Oni writes:
I got one criteria: who wins in a fight.
Yeah well let's go then. Me and you muthafucka!! I'll kick your yanky ass.
Dark Oni writes:
The US is the best country in the world. I can say that proudly.
You can say that ignorantly. Other than NY City (which should be wholesale teleported to Western Europe) you can keep it.

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Straggler
Member (Idle past 93 days)
Posts: 10333
From: London England
Joined: 09-30-2006


Message 79 of 181 (650020)
01-27-2012 5:13 AM
Reply to: Message 76 by Buzsaw
01-26-2012 7:34 PM


Re: Oni Right On The US. Straggler Straggles
Good grief Buz - Can you not even see when you are being parodied?
Dark Oni writes:
I got one criteria: who wins in a fight.
Is that your criteria too Buz? As for the rest of your post:
Buz regularly writes:
"brainwashed sheeples"
(**Straggler nods sadly and sagely**)
Yep. That is the point.

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Straggler
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Message 80 of 181 (650022)
01-27-2012 5:21 AM
Reply to: Message 75 by onifre
01-26-2012 4:00 PM


Re: Domestic fairness versus global fairness
Dark Oni writes:
You would love him in the gym.
You're not my type.
Dark Oni writes:
Great workout partner.
And come between you and Rrhain?
Oni writes:
Listen buck-o, you don't want to tangle with the likes of me, not these days especially. My squat presses alone would make you quiver in fear.
I'll see your squat press and raise you a kickboxing bout.
Dark Oni writes:
New York is a great city, but you know what's a great city too? Alabama and Georgia.
Dark Oni writes:
Oni
Come back.......

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Straggler
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Posts: 10333
From: London England
Joined: 09-30-2006


Message 81 of 181 (650025)
01-27-2012 6:06 AM
Reply to: Message 76 by Buzsaw
01-26-2012 7:34 PM


Re: Oni Right On The US. Straggler Straggles
Straggler writes:
The new Oni is a dickwad. I don't like him.
Buz writes:
Straggler, that goes to show how irrational you really are.
Buz you cheered these comments.......
Dark Oni writes:
Happy, old people, watching football in great seats. You're telling me other countries have that? I didn't think so.
Dark Oni writes:
But that's how you rank a country, by it's military power and overall control. So it should make you proud actually.
Dark Oni writes:
You don't have the amount of fast food places we have, thus you have healthier, skinnier people living in your country who tend to get sick less. Your healthcare system can include EVERYONE and look better on paper. Ours can't. Can you imagine what kind of medical requirements are needed to take care of these over weight slobs?
Dark Oni writes:
Sometimes you have to kick a little butt to change the way people behave, but not all the time. I mean, how else do you propose we make middle easterners think like us? Ask them nicely?
Dark Oni writes:
She's a model, can dance, has her own clothing line and fragrance, sings too... What else does one need to do to be an artist? She's been rewarded with a tv show for a reason. Networks don't make mistakes.
Dark Oni writes:
I look around, I just don't see who is unhappy. Polls or not, go to a bar, everyone is having a good time watching a game on tv. Go to any one of the malls in the US, they're FULL. People aren't shopping like that if they're not happy. Why would anyone want to commit suicide when they could hit an Applebees during happy hour and really enjoy themselves?
I know that dark Oni is a parody. The question is - Are you?

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Straggler
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Posts: 10333
From: London England
Joined: 09-30-2006


Message 85 of 181 (650043)
01-27-2012 9:06 AM
Reply to: Message 83 by Buzsaw
01-27-2012 8:54 AM


Re: Oni Right On The US. Straggler Straggles
Buz your link is one about economic freedom rather than freedom period.
Do you think they are one and the same thing?

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Straggler
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Posts: 10333
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Message 87 of 181 (650045)
01-27-2012 9:14 AM
Reply to: Message 83 by Buzsaw
01-27-2012 8:54 AM


Re: Oni Right On The US. Straggler Straggles
Looking more closely at your link - Hong Kong (part of China) is listed as the freest place in the world.

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Straggler
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Posts: 10333
From: London England
Joined: 09-30-2006


Message 93 of 181 (650101)
01-27-2012 3:15 PM
Reply to: Message 92 by dronestar
01-27-2012 3:11 PM


Re: Domestic fairness versus global fairness
Drone writes:
If this new "Oni" isn't an imposter, I'm hoping Oni is merely doing some type of TEMPORARY research study showing the effects of "jerkism" perpetrated on the general population.
As a comedien that is the sort of thing he should be doing.
Drone writes:
Some one should tell him similar studies have already been done using American television.
Yes - But there is no substitute for independent research.
I have faith that the old and much loved Oni will be back....
(Hallelujah...!!)

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Straggler
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Posts: 10333
From: London England
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Message 95 of 181 (650108)
01-27-2012 3:38 PM
Reply to: Message 94 by onifre
01-27-2012 3:36 PM


Re: Oni Right On The US. Straggler Straggles
At what point are you gonna piss your own pants laughing at this shit...?

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Straggler
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Message 109 of 181 (650162)
01-28-2012 11:26 AM
Reply to: Message 107 by jar
01-28-2012 11:13 AM


Re: The U in USA shows its Stripes
Look I'm not really with Phat on this at all. But at the same time there are people around the world so desperate they are willing to sell their own kids. There are kids who scour rubbish dumps for a living. Sweatshops and child labor are rife. The Chinese government seems to give little regard to the safety or well-being of the workforce who implement it's projects.
In this environment it is practically impossible for any member of the developed world to compete without sinking to the same unacceptable level.
jar writes:
I would teach my kids that they need to compete with everyone else in the world and that it will be an exciting, wondrous and fun existence.
I doubt those working for a pittance in developing countries who constitute the competition would describe their existence as "exciting, woundrous and fun".

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