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Granny Magda
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Message 27 of 181 (649451)
01-23-2012 1:41 PM
Reply to: Message 26 by Buzsaw
01-23-2012 12:28 PM


Re: The US Of A Blessed With Capitalist Wealth.
Hi Buz,
Phat, it has been the capitalist American dream that has prospered, both the wealthy and the middle class. The wealthy and upper middle class have afforded taxes for welfare, etc and jobs for the poor as well from the rich who have paid the lion's share of the taxes and who have had the capital for technology, enterprising corporations etc capable of hiring the middle class and poor, paying the highest wages on the planet.
I think that we're all aware of capitalism's strengths. We all know that capitalism is good at running a marketplace and providing opportunities. The major complaint is that unfettered capitalism doesn't do these things well enough.
Capitalism is very good indeed at making the rich richer. It's just that it has proven itself very bad at making the poor richer. Those "highest wages on the planet" that you mention are scant comfort to the hundreds of millions who will never have a hope of such decadence.
I don't think that there are many people who want to dispense with capitalism entirely. It has proven itself to be a useful system. But I don't think that means that we can't try to create a fairer, more equal, more opportunity-based capitalism that doesn't leave such a massive underclass as the current set-up.
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Granny Magda
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Message 36 of 181 (649531)
01-24-2012 2:25 AM
Reply to: Message 35 by Buzsaw
01-24-2012 12:16 AM


Re: The US Of A Blessed With Capitalist Wealth.
No, Granny. Capitalism makes all richer and affords the poor the amenities that they have.
And yet there are still millions of Americans without basic healthcare. Capitalism is clearly not doing the best of jobs or this would not be the case.
It's not up to the rich to make the poor better off. It's the government which subsidizes the poor who feed at the government trough paid for by the taxes of the middle class and far more by the rich (see the stats).
You should stop playing blame games Buz. It is generally not the fault of the poor that they're poor.
Some get more from welfare than if they worked.
The answer to that then is to ensure that working pays a living wage, not to hammer the poor. Blaming poor people for their own poverty is nothing but a Band Aid over the guilt of the better off.
I'm not interested in playing blame games here; I'm interested in creating a better, fairer and more equal society. Capitalism has had plenty of time to achieve that and it has failed.
They were pagans who had their war dances, etc That's another related matter.
That is not a related matter unless you are a fucking bigot.
What more do you want the rich and capitalism to do for them.
How about bringing American health care up to the standards enjoyed in the developed world?
Mutate and Survive

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