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Author Topic:   The Irrefutable Public Health Care Thread
Jon
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Message 78 of 314 (649773)
01-25-2012 1:34 PM
Reply to: Message 57 by crashfrog
01-25-2012 12:23 PM


Re: It's not the calories or the activity
And yet obesity is more prevalent in societies with higher caloric intakes and sedentary lifestyles.
Go figure!

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Jon
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Message 93 of 314 (649804)
01-25-2012 3:44 PM
Reply to: Message 84 by crashfrog
01-25-2012 2:17 PM


Re: It's not the calories or the activity
I dunno, you see some pretty big beer guts on those starving kids in Africa.
And they're not obese. So what's your point?

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Jon
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Message 95 of 314 (649809)
01-25-2012 4:14 PM
Reply to: Message 94 by crashfrog
01-25-2012 4:09 PM


Re: It's not the calories or the activity
Wasn't your post titled 'It's not the calories or the activity'?
How does: "And yet obesity is more prevalent in societies with higher caloric intakes and sedentary lifestyles." not address this?
Are you, along with apparently everyone else in this thread, just fucking around?

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Jon
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Message 99 of 314 (649821)
01-25-2012 5:06 PM
Reply to: Message 96 by crashfrog
01-25-2012 4:17 PM


Re: It's not the calories or the activity
I'm lost as to what you think your single uncited correlation demonstrates.
Obesity is directly the result of consuming too many calories and not exercising enough. There are cases of genetic predisposition or physical disorders, but these are not the norm.
quote:
Wikipedia on Obesity:
At an individual level, a combination of excessive food energy intake and a lack of physical activity is thought to explain most cases of obesity. A limited number of cases are due primarily to genetics, medical reasons, or psychiatric illness. In contrast, increasing rates of obesity at a societal level are felt to be due to an easily accessible and palatable diet, increased reliance on cars, and mechanized manufacturing.
And you know my fondness of maps:
Caloric Intake: Red = More, Yellow = Less (full key: Wikipedia)



Obesity of Males: Red = More, Yellow = Less (full key: Wikipedia; Click here for data on females)




No honest person would discount the relationship between caloric intake, exercise, and obesity. Which is what makes me think you're just fucking around. In which case, I've better things to do than play silly games.
Jon
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Jon
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Message 117 of 314 (649921)
01-26-2012 2:46 PM
Reply to: Message 112 by onifre
01-26-2012 11:29 AM


Re: I can't make this stuff up
Should this person get free healthcare?
There is no 'should' involved, which implies the morality of the question to be of chief concernwhich it isn't. The issue is about what is best as a society, and as a society, it is best to take care of those in need.
This is because while spending the better part of an afternoon on a dialysis machine, Ms. Deen was so fortunate enough as to come across the cure for cancerand she didn't just read it off the doctor's notebook which he absentmindedly left sit at her chair-side either. And to think, our luck! Only a week ago she was at death's door until the passage of Universal Health Care Reform that made her fat ass eligible for treatment for her diabetes and so prolonged her life to make that astonishing discovery.
Really, though, the number one resource of any nation is its people, young, old, handicapped, and fit. Any nation that wishes to succeed best take care of this resource.
On a side note, I consider Paula Deen to be something of a charlatan who slaps her name on a $2 dowel and sells it for a fortune as a 'southern-style rolling pin'.
Jon

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Jon
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Message 128 of 314 (649958)
01-26-2012 5:33 PM
Reply to: Message 122 by onifre
01-26-2012 3:31 PM


Re: I can't make this stuff up
It's not the nations job to keep the food out of our mouth and make sure we exercise.
No, but it's in the nation's best interest to do so.
Well isn't that rich, you can stuff your face for years and not do an ounce of exercise then they get to call themselves a "person in need."
I didn't call them 'persons', so your objection is baseless.
I'm think this is a joke.
Meant to illustrate the importance of each individual to the collective prosperity.
Jon

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Jon
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Message 144 of 314 (650051)
01-27-2012 9:44 AM
Reply to: Message 135 by onifre
01-27-2012 6:38 AM


Re: I can't make this stuff up
You want government, or me, getting involved in what you feed yourself?
It already does:
USDA
FDA
Remember this thing?
The government already has a say in what people eat and already takes steps to help people make healthier choices.
It is not outside of the realm of reasonability that the government would take further steps to ensure healthy eating by its citizenry. In Denmark, for example:
quote:
Wikipedia on Trans Fat:
Denmark became the first country to introduce laws strictly regulating the sale of many foods containing trans fats in March 2003, a move which effectively bans partially hydrogenated oils.
Jon

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