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Perdition
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Message 7 of 314 (649595)
01-24-2012 2:22 PM
Reply to: Message 2 by Phat
01-24-2012 1:29 PM


Re: All I know
Another benefit of public, universal health care would be there would no longer be "out-of-network" doctors, clinics or hospitals. You'd be able to go to the doctor you wanted, rather than having to choose the best or closest from a list provided by your healthcare network.
Another benefit of that is that if you're on a trip to another part of the country and have an accident, you won't have to add worrying about how much your insurance will cover to your pain and worry about the accident. You could go to any hospital, show your SS card, or whatever, and get the emergency care you need. Right now, you may try to figure out which hospital in the area is part of your network, wasting time and energy that you shouldn't have to in an emergency. It may even turn out that there isn't anything in your network in the area, and you'll just have to cover almost all of the cost yourself.

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Perdition
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Message 9 of 314 (649599)
01-24-2012 2:38 PM
Reply to: Message 8 by Dr Adequate
01-24-2012 2:30 PM


Re: All I know
I'm not sure that that is completely true. While in the UK, I would have had a lot of difficulty registering with a GP in a whole other city.
Well, depends on how close the city is. Here, I grew up in a small town that didn't have any doctors. I had to drive 30 minutes to get to the larger city that had doctros' offices and hospitals. But even within the same city, some doctors are part of one insurance network, others are part of a second, still others are part of a third, and on and on. There are quite a few that are "in-network" for multiple networks, but it's quite a mess to try and make sure your doctor is aprt of the same network you are.
For instance, my wife and I are hoping to have a baby. My wife knows what hospital she wants to deliver at, and it's part of the right network. But even so, we need to make sure the doctor she wants is part of the network as well, despite the fact that the doctor works in that hospital.
With public healthcare, we could just go to the hospital we want, see the doctor we want, and not have to worry about what plan s/he is in and whether ours is the same.
As for a GP, yeah, you'd probably need to register and make sure the doctor has the capacity to add another patient, etc. But even so, you'd have one less worry, that of making sure the GP is part of your network.

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Perdition
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Message 63 of 314 (649756)
01-25-2012 1:08 PM
Reply to: Message 62 by onifre
01-25-2012 1:02 PM


Re: It's not the calories or the activity
At first I thought you were being serious, and I wasn't liking the "new" Oni. Then I read this:
Name one athlete that has ever died? I didn't think so.
And now it has to be that you're parodying or something.

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Perdition
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Message 130 of 314 (649979)
01-26-2012 6:54 PM
Reply to: Message 129 by Shield
01-26-2012 6:47 PM


Re: We don't need public healthcare
So how would a low carb diet have prevented my incidents?
Obviously, a bad diet makes your inner ear "fat" even if the rest of your body isn't. If your inner ear were "skinnier" you wouldn't fall.
/"dark" Oni

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Perdition
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Message 147 of 314 (650088)
01-27-2012 1:20 PM
Reply to: Message 146 by 1.61803
01-27-2012 1:17 PM


I dont know, I get the impression Oni is having us on. He is playing devils advocate.
But it's still fun to debate him. That is one of the reasons we're here, right?

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Perdition
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Message 208 of 314 (650923)
02-03-2012 2:24 PM
Reply to: Message 207 by New Cat's Eye
02-03-2012 2:15 PM


Re: Parody Logic
It just seems to me that we do a lot of medical research here at hospitals that also provide care. That's gotta drive up the cost.
Much of the medical research being done is underwritten by pharmaceutical companies who are looking for the next wonder drug. That research wouldn't drive up the cost of the healthcare, except in so far as it raises the cost of medication.

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Perdition
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Message 264 of 314 (654331)
02-29-2012 9:17 AM
Reply to: Message 263 by Warthog
02-29-2012 6:08 AM


RE: taking care of your health
I really don't get why Americans are so afraid of the idea of medical care for those in need rather than those in clover.
Because it might help them illegal aliens, or terrorists, but I repeat myself. It might even help all those freeloading welfare millionaires, you know, the women who just pump out kid after kid, rake in the money from poor old Uncle Sam, and can live in luxury without having to work at all.
Or something like that.

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