The Awesome Obama Thread II

Yep, I gotta agree with you this time Crash. Obama's DELIBERATE drone attacks have increased dramatically from his predecessor. And considering Obama's just a black man makes it all the more impressive. No unforced errors here to see:

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Obama Terror Drones: CIA Tactics In Pakistan Include Targeting Rescuers And Funerals

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On June 23 2009 the CIA killed Khwaz Wali Mehsud, a mid-ranking Pakistan Taliban commander. They planned to use his body as bait to hook a larger fish — Baitullah Mehsud, then the notorious leader of the Pakistan Taliban.

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‘A plan was quickly hatched to strike Baitullah Mehsud when he attended the man’s funeral,’ according to Washington Post national security correspondent Joby Warrick, in his recent book The Triple Agent. ‘True, the commander happened to be very much alive as the plan took shape. But he would not be for long.’

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The CIA duly killed Khwaz Wali Mehsud in a drone strike that killed at least five others. Speaking with the Bureau, Pulitzer Prize-winner Warrick confirmed what his US intelligence sources had told him: ‘The initial target was no doubt a target anyway, as it was described to me, as someone that they were interested in. And as they were planning this attack, a possible windfall from that is that it would shake Mehsud himself out of his hiding place.’

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Up to 5,000 people attended Khwaz Wali Mehsud’s funeral that afternoon, including not only Taliban fighters but many civilians. US drones struck again, killing up to 83 people. As many as 45 were civilians, among them reportedly TEN CHILDREN and four tribal leaders.

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http://www.infowars.com/...e-targeting-rescuers-and-funeralsI uppercased "TEN CHILDREN" to make you especially happy.Now, take note, the following photos are not from Obama's funeral attack above, but they DO show Obama's "maximum achievement possible given the circumstances in Congress." I can truly understand how happy this makes you. Enjoy . . .

Gosh darn it, you're right, I should have went straight to the official White House website to get information. Between "The President's Schedule" and "First Lady Michelle Obama's Xmas Confections" menu items, there SHOULD be an official "Obama's War Crime Atrocity of the Week" menu button. I'll get ALL of my info from there from now on, thanks for the constructive tip Crash!Seriously, since the us government doesn't wish to document its atrocities AND the corporate media (whose parent company/subsidiaries produce war weapons) would rather divert the public's attention to the Kardashians, I am guessing your desperate "cranksite-card" will be used no matter where I get Obama war crime news from:Obama Terror Drones: CIA Tactics In Pakistan Include Targeting Rescuers And Funerals
zcommunications.org - zcommunications Resources and Information. Since you've already pre-constructed in your bipolar mind that I am dishonest, then, without you taking heavy medication, I am assuming there is nothing I can show to someone of your limited integrity and ability.

Thanks for proving my point that you'll desperately call EVERY source of mine illegitimate (PLEASE, check with your doctor about adjusting your medication dose).From YOUR supplied link:

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Z Communications is based outside Woods Hole, Massachusetts. Regular contributors to its publications include Uri Avnery, Noam Chomsky, Alexander Cockburn, Tim Wise, Amira Hass, Norman Solomon, Robert Fisk, John Pilger, Edward S. Herman, Anthony Arnove, Joshua Frank, Eleanor Bader, Barbara Ehrenreich, Bashir Abu-Manneh, Howard Friel, "Mickey Z", and, formerly, Howard Zinn.
Z Communications - Wikipedia

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That you consider the following "cranks" is just dishonest and/or mentally slow:

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Howard Zinn (August 24, 1922 — January 27, 2010) was an American historian, academic, author, playwright, and social activist. Before and during his tenure as a political science professor at Boston University from 1964-88 he wrote more than 20 books, which included his best-selling and influential A People's History of the United States.[2] He wrote extensively about the civil rights and anti-war movements, as well as of the labor history of the United States. His memoir, You Can't Be Neutral on a Moving Train, was also the title of a 2004 documentary about Zinn's life and work.[3]
Howard Zinn - Wikipedia

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Edward S. Herman (born April 7, 1925) is an American economist and media analyst with a specialty in corporate and regulatory issues as well as political economy and the media. He is Professor Emeritus of Finance at the Wharton School of the University of Pennsylvania. He also teaches at Annenberg School for Communication at the University of Pennsylvania. He received his Bachelor of Arts from University of Pennsylvania in 1945 and PhD in 1953 from the University of California, Berkeley.
Edward S. Herman - Wikipedia

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Avram Noam Chomsky (/ˈnoʊm ˈtʃɒmski/; born December 7, 1928) is an American linguist, philosopher,[4][5] cognitive scientist, historian, and activist. He is an Institute Professor and Professor (Emeritus) in the Department of Linguistics & Philosophy at MIT, where he has worked for over 50 years.[6] Chomsky has been described as the "father of modern linguistics"[7][8][9] and a major figure of analytic philosophy.[4] His work has influenced fields such as computer science, mathematics, and psychology.[10][11]
Chomsky is credited as the creator or co-creator of the Chomsky hierarchy, the universal grammar theory, and the Chomsky—Schtzenberger theorem.
Noam Chomsky - Wikipedia

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Robert Fisk (born 12 July 1946) is an English writer and journalist from Maidstone, Kent. As Middle East correspondent of The Independent, he has primarily been based in Beirut for more than 30 years.[1] He has published a number of books and has reported on the United States's war in Afghanistan and its 2003 invasion of Iraq. Fisk holds more British and International Journalism awards than any other foreign correspondent.[2]
Robert Fisk - Wikipedia

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The article was written by Chris Woods and Christina Lamb, not Alex Fucking Jones. Sheesh.However, the point is taken: While I was only concerned about the actual news story, I'll be more careful in the future.Can we now discuss Obama's INCREASED use of drones that kill indiscriminately?

But that's not what you just recently said. Remember Crash, your written words are historical records and they can be referenced. (Dosage, dosage, dosage): Only because his death kinda gets in the way of tight deadlines. By "completely ignore" do you mean the way I acknowleged your complaint by supplying a second source. (really Crash, check the dosage)

Can you please address the horrible civilian deaths, and that their deaths cause hostile reactions from their friends and family. The end result, america is CREATING more enemies and INCREASING the risk of more "terrorist" strikes in the future.E.g., has Israel's harsh and illegal punishment of the Palestineans worked?

You are a nut case. That you believe that this is an accurate chronological order of events, even though they just happened a few minutes ago and is completely available for review, makes me really think you are in need of medication. I pity you. Really. Err, it's the exact SAME article, both sources. Please Crash, call your doctor NOW. I am dumbfounded. I clearly wrote: Don't worry about calling the doctor Crash, I'll call you an ambulance.

Does escalating violence solve problems? Would you prefer Obama use diplomacy OR ever more drones attacks on Yemen, Somalia, Iran, France, etc... Does drone usage only end when everybody is dead?And what about creating a standard for all nations . . .Are you comfortable with other nations, perhaps China, Costa Rica, or Vanuatu, using drone attacks upon the usa because they "believe" we are the enemy?

My time on the forum is not limitless Crash. I understand your best (only) strategies are war-of-attrition and obfuscation. I get it. You ARE excellent at this, indeed, I AM tired of your nonsense. To keep from debating Obama's increasing use of immoral and illegal drone strikes and specifcally the article "Obama Terror Drones: CIA Tactics In Pakistan Include Targeting Rescuers And Funerals" I linked, I predict you'll even eventually trot out your tired "embassy" fabrication.

Thanks Rahvin, you are my hero for the day!

You accidentally missed my previous question: Thus, should you fear that the us is creating standards for all nations to copy? Huh?Let me try again from the top . . .American soldiers are NOT in Afghanistan because of terrorists. If terrorists were the problem we would have invaded Saudi Arabia, the country where most of the 9/11 terrorists came from. (None were from Iraq either). America is in Afghanistan for the energy resources and hegemony in the region. The american government knows it, the Afghani people know it. But the american population that watches american corporate news is not aware. From ancient history's Alexander the Great in 330 BC to the British during the nineteenth century, Russians, and now americans, the Afghans rightly sees americans as invaders. The Afghans hate us so badly they are choosing the awful Taliban over the us. They want all occupiers out of their country, they will not collectively work with the us. To expect them to work with america when they know that america wants to steal their energy resources is crazy thinking.In Iraq? If WMD are a problem, america would NOT have supplied Saddam with WMD and continues to supply mass weapons of destruction to other nations with human right abuses (Saudi Arabia, Israel, Egypt, Columbia, etc.). america destroyed Iraq, based on lies, for Iraq's energy resources and hegemony in the region. The american government knows it. the Iraqi people know it. But the american population that watches american corporate news is not aware. In addition, Obama wanted to CONTINUE to occupy Iraq as long as american soldiers got immunity from war crimes and atrocities they commit. Wow, if I was an Iraqi, my mind would be spinning with such a demand. Thankfully, the Iraqis rejected such insanity. America will NEVER win the hearts or minds of Iraqis, nor should they.The solution is NOT MORE drone strikes. The solution lies in the public enlightenment that the american government lies to them. Demands the government stop escalating violence in their name. Holds the american leaders responsible for war crimes and other atrocities. The solution is NOT supporting the american government to do more of the same (see definition of insanity).Obama has been increasing drone use in the middle east. Because future presidents will also consider drone use to be "risk-free" for american soldiers and RELATIVELY cheap, drone use will undoubtebly keep increasing. That was never and will never be a solution.Furthermore, drone strikes that continue to harm innocent lives is not a solution. It will never be a solution. The solution is understanding why america acts criminally and then forcing the american government to do their peaceful bidding.More posts to come.

You know, if you are going to accuse me of not replying to your posts, you should at least respond to mine.Third time: Thus, should you fear that the usa is creating standards for all nations to copy? Yes, Osama bin Laden was in Afghanistan. Before the american invasion, the Afghan Taliban government asked Bush Jr. for evidence that Osama was involved in 9/11 BEFORE they would give Osama up. Since the Aghan government wasn't keen on protecting Al-queda in exchange for an assault on their country, that was probably a legitimate request. It would have alleviated drone strikes or invasions and death and destruction. But, remember, like in Iraq, the american government NEEDED an excuse to invade Afghanistan for the energy resources and to gain the area's hegemony, so the Bush Jr. administration didn't even followup on the Afghan government's request. That moment was extremely instructive to how little "terrorism" really meant to the us government (outside of its fear factor to the american people).

Wow, just wowww. Please see Crash for bipolar medication requirements. So you believe the american public would have faithfully supported the illegal and immoral Afghan and Iraq invasions if Bush Jr just told the public the truth?:"WE WANT THEIR OIL/NATURAL GAS!!!"

Jar, what is wrong with you? You are being nasty for no reason.The following is a question:

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So you believe the american public would have faithfully supported the illegal and immoral Afghan and Iraq invasions if Bush Jr just told the public the truth?

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You can tell it is a question by that squiggly letter form at the end of the sentence.Have a good weekend Jar. Try to do some meditation exercises, ok? Eat a plum. Take the missus out to dance. Be thankful there isn't a drone-missile with your name on it. (yet)

The hegemony derived from the control of oil (energy resources) is the reason for the american invasions into the middle east:The Bush Jr. Admin had ADDITIONALLY hoped there would be big oil payoffs, but you're right, it didn't happened (the Iraqis fought successfully to ultimately control their own national energy resources.) Although the ULITMATE goal of stealing the oil was NOT achieved, the CONTROL of the oil was the main reason for the Iraqi invasion, not the oil profits:1. . . . a central component of the Persian Gulf resources that the State Department, in 1945, described as "a stupendous source of strategic power, and one of the greatest material prizes in world history", namely the region's vast reserves of crude oil. Middle Eastern oil was regarded in Washington as "probably the richest economic prize in the world in the field of foreign investment", in what President Eisenhower described as the most "strategically important area in the world".
http://www.chomsky.info/articles/20021203.htm2. Read the mission statement for the now discredited Project for the New American Century. Bush Jr.'s cabinet comprised most of these members. Since 1998 (BEFORE 9/11) they strongly pushed for an Iraqi invasion to secure Iraqi's energy resources and to exert America's lone superpower status.3. Read about the Hydrocarbon Act. Except for three scant lines, the entire 33-page hydrocarbon law creates a structure to facilitate the privatization of Iraq’s oil. Simply put, the resolution demands the privatization of Iraqi oil by blocking over a billion dollars in reconstruction funds if the Iraqis refuse to comply. Its passage sends a strong message that the United States is not in Iraq to help the Iraqi people or defend democracy, but that this war is solely about oil.Kucinich: Congress Endorses Blackmail of Iraq 
http://kucinich.house.gov/News/DocumentSingle.aspx?Docume...4. When American troops illegally and immorally invaded Iraq, the troops didn't guard the hospitals, police precincts, or museums of priceless, ancient antiquities. But, what did they guard successfully? Answer: The Ministry of OIL Building.5. Dick Chaney's secret meetings with Oil Companies.
America faces a major energy supply crisis over the next two decades, Secretary of Energy Spencer Abraham told a National Energy Summit on March 19, 2001. The failure to meet this challenge will threaten our nation’s economic prosperity, compromise our national security, and literally alter the way we lead our lives.The Washington Post reported on November 15, 2005 that it had obtained documents detailing how executives from major oil corporations, including Exxon-Mobil Corp., Conoco, Royal Dutch Shell Oil Corp., and the American subsidiary of British Petroleum met with Energy Task Force participants while they were developing national energy policy. Vice President Cheney was reported to have met personally with the Chief Executive Officer of BP (formerly British Petroleum) during the time of the Energy Task Force's activities.On July 18, 2007, the Washington Post reported the names of those involved in the Task Force, . . . Among those in the meetings were James J. Rouse, then vice president of Exxon Mobil and a major donor to the Bush inauguration; Kenneth L. Lay, then head of Enron Corp. . . . Red Cavaney, president of the American Petroleum Institute; and Eli Bebout, an old friend of Cheney's from Wyoming who serves in the state Senate and owns an oil and drilling company.[12]Most of the activities of the Energy Task Force have not been disclosed to the public, even though Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) requests (since 19 April 2001) have sought to gain access to its materials.Energy Task Force - WikipediaThe CONTROL of the oil was the main reason for the Iraqi invasion. "No blood for oil" was/IS an accurate meme . . .

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NATO says found Afghan children dead after air strike
By Rob Taylor and Mirwais Harooni | Reuters—KABUL | Mon Feb 13, 2012 7:44am EST

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NATO aircraft and ground forces attacked insurgents on open ground in the Najrab district of Kapisa, said Brigadier General Carsten Jacobson, a spokesman for NATO's 130,000-strong International Security Assistance Force (ISAF).

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Afghan government officials showed gruesome photographs of eight dead boys, and said seven of them had been aged between six and 14, while one had been around 18 years old. They were bombed twice while herding sheep in heavy snow and lighting a fire to keep warm, they said.

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