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Author Topic:   Evolution is not Abiogenesis
Dr Adequate
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Message 31 of 251 (653614)
02-23-2012 4:52 AM
Reply to: Message 26 by Chuck77
02-23-2012 4:32 AM


Re: Message from Buzsaw
And yet they just are two different things. We understand evolution. We don't understand abiogenesis. This is one way you can tell them apart.

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Dr Adequate
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Message 69 of 251 (653761)
02-24-2012 4:56 AM
Reply to: Message 67 by Chuck77
02-24-2012 3:53 AM


Re: Creation theory.
I'm going to try to focus more on a Creation theory and presenting that the best I can instead of trying to expose other theories that try to explain the diversity of life or how it originated.
This sounds very interesting. I'll be glad to see this.
My whole problem with the TOE and abiogenesis is that they are seperated when (as Modulous pointed out) the Bible isn't. I can't seem to wrap my brain around seperating it all when it comes to life, how it works, how it came to be, where it is going.
Well, as I explained, it's because we know some things but not others.
When Newton came up with his theory of gravity, he did not also provide a theory about the origin of matter. He had no clue.
Darwin himself used the same analogy; confessing his ignorance, he wrote: "It is mere rubbish to talk about the origin of life; one might as well talk about the origin of matter".
Now, as you point out, the Bible purports to answer both questions. It claims to explain both the origin of life and the origin of species. God did them both by magic.
But why should scientists imitate this? Should they not rather tell the truth, and say: "We understand this, but we don't understand that"? This is, after all, true, or, since you are a creationist, let us at least say that they think that it's true. So obviously they should say it: "We understand evolution, we're fairly clueless about abiogenesis". That's just the case, it's how the cookie crumbles, and it would not be at all to their credit if they said something else which wasn't true.

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