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Author Topic:   A Plea to understanding: SCIENCE vs INTELLIGENT DESIGN
hooah212002
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Message 5 of 230 (653703)
02-23-2012 5:12 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by jchardy
02-23-2012 2:44 PM


My my Mr. Hardy, where to begin....
To emotionally load their case, atheists routinely blend I.D. with Creationism.
Nope. Those are just the facts as they stand. ID is creationism wearing a disguise in order to enter the public fora. Now, the ID folks may very well be trying to shy away from their creationist roots, but so far they haven't done so.
Those of us who believe in purpose in the existence of the Universe and the evolution of life in the Universe,--- particularly sentient and especially sapient life forms, do not believe chance is an independent function of chaos
To put it simply (and I will probably get hammered for this one): how's about you prove that chance is NOT sufficient? Real scientists have shown that chance + mutation IS sufficient, and you lot come round with your god goggles on and say "No no, we are special. Chance couldn't create all this wonder".
nor do most of us believe that the findings of science should be dismissed as untrue or entirely irrelevant.
Except that you guys DO dismiss most findings of science: especially when they disagree with your theology.
Understanding this division clearly is imperative to allowing both conceptualizations to coexist peacefully and with reason and communication.
If ID wants to be on the same level or in the same category as science, it ought to DO SCIENCE. Do some testing to validate it as an idea. run experiments. DO SOMETHING IN A LAB. Publish real papers. DO SCIENCE. If you want to cease the seperation between ID and actual science....you kinda have to drop the god shit and do science.
A lot of the rest of your OP is spent preaching and you wonder why ID and creationism are conflated......
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"There is no refutation of Darwinian evolution in existence. If a refutation ever were to come about, it would come from a scientist, and not an idiot." -Dawkins

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Message 44 of 230 (653882)
02-25-2012 7:57 AM
Reply to: Message 28 by jchardy
02-24-2012 11:30 PM


Re: DAWKINS IS A DRAG
So your response, to me, is to trash Dawkins (whom was only mentioned via my signature) and preach more? You sir are no scientist and do a great disservice by calling yourself one. You ask for an equal playing field but you are utterly obsessed with trashing non-belief.
People like you are what ID does NOT need if it wishes to be taken seriously and as something other than religious dogma.

"There is no refutation of Darwinian evolution in existence. If a refutation ever were to come about, it would come from a scientist, and not an idiot." -Dawkins

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Message 45 of 230 (653883)
02-25-2012 8:02 AM
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02-25-2012 12:07 AM


Do you not understand what secular means?

"There is no refutation of Darwinian evolution in existence. If a refutation ever were to come about, it would come from a scientist, and not an idiot." -Dawkins

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hooah212002
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Message 52 of 230 (653906)
02-25-2012 11:51 AM
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02-24-2012 11:33 PM


Re: Blending? Intelligent Design should be just laughed at.
In my 50 years of searching, I have not found any evidence to absolutely rule out a "Designer" implicit in our existence.
Nor have you found evidence for this designer. Your religious belief is the only reason you even leave that option open. Can I assume you've not found evidence contrary to the existence of fairies as the reason for gravity so you leave that option open, right? Oh wait, that's not part of your religious belief so of course you don't leave that option open.
And yet you still wonder why ID and creationism are intertwined. They forever will be with IDists such as yourself.

"There is no refutation of Darwinian evolution in existence. If a refutation ever were to come about, it would come from a scientist, and not an idiot." -Dawkins

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