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Coyote
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Message 24 of 307 (655391)
03-09-2012 10:21 PM
Reply to: Message 23 by Buzsaw
03-09-2012 9:17 PM


Re: Despised POVs
BTW, my own, for the most part has stood up to the test, so as to give the best of my pack, of opponents including the science doctorates a run for the money. They don't usually KO my stuff in a page or two.
Buz, I have found that you are not able or willing to deal with science and either it's methods or its results. You have shown that here time and again. I have advised you time and again to leave science alone as you have no talent or inclination for it.
I'm all the more convinced of my own Biblical POV having sized it up with counter secularistic POVs.
Your POV is the exact opposite of science, and is the epitome of apologetics. You use the typical creationist tactics of ignoring, denying, or misrepresenting any evidence that contradicts your beliefs. To be kind, I could include misunderstanding that evidence, but after things have been explained to you time and again--with evidence--that simply can't be the case. You are afflicted with a sad case of willful ignorance, and that's nothing to be proud of.
But to bring this back to the OP, I would not have you or any other creationist leave this forum. I would, however, have you address evidence in a scientific manner. Can't have everything, I guess.
(As an aside, you have some of the best grammar, spelling, and punctuation on the board--after mine, of course!)

Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.

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Coyote
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Message 163 of 307 (655938)
03-15-2012 1:39 AM
Reply to: Message 162 by Taq
03-15-2012 1:21 AM


Re: Creationist Psychology
Afterall, foreveryoung trusts the Bible and it is never wrong, so the science has to be wrong.
Some believe the Pope is never wrong. But the Catholics teach that science in general and evolution in particular describe real events, and are not in conflict with their beliefs.
So, between the creationists who believe the bible is never wrong and Catholics who believe (in at least some instances) that the bible is allegory or parable, who is right? And who is wrong?
Certainly one of the two is wrong, if not both?
So let's see the evidence on each side so we can make a reasonable determination.
They do have evidence, don't they?
Once religions of all stripes fight it out and determine a winner--based on evidence, perhaps that winner can take on science.
Otherwise, without evidence what's the point?

Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.

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Coyote
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Message 303 of 307 (659445)
04-15-2012 11:46 PM


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I too wish foreveryoung the best. I wish all posters here the best.
But this is a debate site, and there are people here with contrasting viewpoints.
Particularly on the Science Forum side, those viewpoints are expected to be supported by some kind of evidence.
This is in sharp contrast to religious beliefs, which rely on scripture, dogma, belief, and the like.
If the tens of thousands of world religions, sects, denominations, etc. approached their beliefs as science does, they would use evidence to determine which are correct and which are incorrect. Those shown to be incorrect would be discarded. However, we all know that this is not the way religions approach matters.
I think foreveryoung was at least partially unaware of how science approaches the world. Science operates by challenging everything and by requiring evidence for any and all claims.
Speaking for myself, and probably for most or all here, I don't hate creationists. I find it educational to test my ideas against theirs; if my ideas can't stand the test of evidence they are of little use to me.
So I would encourage foreveryoung not to leave this site, but to gather evidence in support of his position and present it to us.
If he can defend it we learn something. If not, perhaps he learns something.

Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.

  
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