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Good to see you're staying. This place is need of long-time members who oppose the majority(even though I am part of that majority).I'm going to be honest with myself here: if I tried to argue on a forum, and got many, many replies that debunked my stances, sometimes with snark, I probably would vanish in silence before long. No matter what the position is, some people can't really take much in the way of harsh words and sarcasm. I have enough self-knowledge to know that I am very part of this group, as of the time of writing. At least your announcement you were thinking about leaving sparked some useful reflection about the nature of debate.I think some members(at least me) don't always agree with the tone of some posts, even if they agree with it's general content, even if it often remains unsaid.I'm not sure if this exists already, I know of a moderation complaints topic, but does a dedicated topic to file complaints about impolite debate already exist? Even if snark is sometimes justified, such a topic would be handy to discuss if a member stepped out of line, and keep member relations better, without derailing the debate as I see happening so much.

Most atheists hold a ''I'm almost certain that God doesn't exist'' for this very reason, and science always has harsh inner debate before it accepts things.I understand you wish to uphold your faith, and will not accept the evidence given for evolution/everything else that is being debated. However, ruling out the option that the evidence may be correct, because you have deep faith in God's creation, is a very tricky way to approach a debate. I understand why you do this, and you're free to, but if you willingly participate in a forum dedicated to discussion, and with a strong accent on presenting evidence and logic to support claims, distrusting evidence a priori goes with the large risk your fellow debated grow frustrated and begin to rely on sarcasm and mockery.However, as long your faith does not budge, your stance in the topics will not change. This is not really your fault, but a side-affect of such a important subject that this forum discusses, people aren't going to concede easily, and is is going to be tense at times.

On the subject of the bible being infallible.. I still remember once example.I've seen a account(evid3nc3 from youtube) to be exact, who read the bible assuming it was inerrant, but stumbled on the death of Judas.Matthew 27:1-1: Did he get the reward , but got consumed by guilt, and he hung himself. The silver was used to bury him on a field, that's why that field was called the '' field of blood '' ?Acts 1:18 or: did he buy the field himself with the silver, fell,his intestines bursting out, the gruesome death being heard in all of jeruzalem, and naming the field the ''field of blood'' because of this?I've seem attempts to reconcile this, but the different uses of the silver, the orgin of the naming of the field of blood, and the lack of any reason why the two authors would each omit crucial details the other gives? I fail to see how this is not a contradiction, and it's very much supposed to be a reliable account by both authors.

I decided to - him to make a statement(like everyone else), then I clicked plus.. oops.. Ignore that one.Edit: oh it's fixable. >_> Pardon me. All I can add foreveryoung might do well do take a look at the ''love others as you love yourself'' rule a bit better. The fact he will probably rage at me for even suggesting this makes it even sadder.Edited by Kairyu, : No reason given.Edited by Kairyu, : No reason given.

Maybe he meant the types of creationist one? I can't exactly tell, but that one seemed to have posts that qualify as well, and that one is in summation mode.Edited by Kairyu, : No reason given.

To be honest, while I don't approve of Foreveryoung's actions, I can imagine a average person does not like his brain called broken and his whole environment labeled as insane.I have a knack for being overly pacifistic, I know this but.. I leave the question is it was justified in this case open, but I tend dislike this rhetoric on principle. I admit I'm not that jaded yet, and absolute refusal to do this is also something I hate.Bottom line is that I just tend to be saddened by this sort of conversations, and I've raged a few times on the internet before, only to just feel empty once the spur of the moment has passed.