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So the vast majority of christians don't even believe there is such a thing as a bible? They aren't christians in my book. They have zilch to base their faith on, only emotionalism and wishful thinking.I may as well join weight watchers or alcoholics anonymous or a support group for the recently divorced if I wanted to get what can be found at churches that reject the fully truthfulness of the bible or that there even is a bible.Edited by foreveryoung, : No reason given.

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I am not saying I wasn't aware of other such beliefs in christianity. I am saying biblical literalism is the only view that was held by the churches I have attended. That is what I grew up with. That is the nature of the books and websites I read. I reject all other forms of christianity that do not hold to biblical literalism. It is all I know, or more clearly, it is all that is real to me.

Well, go look for them so we can test them.

I'm sure we'd all love to see this evidence. Why not start a thread and we'll discuss it.

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I didn't say anything about naturalism, but was talking about "Metaphysical naturalism" which by definition rules out all but natural causes for such issues as the origin of life and the origin of the universe

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Same thing, just without the big scary capitals.

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People like Dawkilns who ridicules anyone believing in a supernatural being. Allthough he does it for the money, there is still no excuse for such arrogrance.

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The arrogance is all yours. Lying and slandering doesn't make your position any more reasonable. It only proves that it isn't.

I just told you that they cannot be tested by the scientific method. They can only be observed and data taken from them to be analyzed statistically. The information can be found at a fierce debate about the paranormal at "Theology Online". I am a member there. I cannot remember the name of the thread so it could take some time to find the links I was referring to.Edited by foreveryoung, : No reason given.

It is the evidence that shows that there is no such thing as "The Bible"; it is not a matter of belief but rather of what the evidence shows.There are many bibles and quite a few Canons, and it is the Canons that are the evidence. The various Canons list what books are to be included in a bible and those Canons vary from the smallest that includes just the first five books of the Old Testament to the largest that includes over eighty books.But most sects also understand that the various Bible stories are not to be read literally.Quite frankly, if someone honestly accepted the Bible literally they must admit that the first two books of Genesis are mutually exclusive.

So you have nothing.

If you have data, statistical or otherwise, it can be examined scientifically. As can the method used to obtain and analyse it. Data is stuff that exists in the natural world, so science can look at it.Edited by Tangle, : Grammar

Just because there are a wealth of canons, doesn't mean there isn't a single true cannon. I have read the two creation stories in genesis. They are not contradictory; they are complimentary; just like the gospels are complimentary to each other.

How do you come to that conclusion?

I can try to find it, but you may have to wait several hours.

Honesty, remember.The committee of Canon that developed each of the different lists can claim to be the one "TRUE" Canon.The fact is though that each list is simply the product of humans.And remember that the condition is "Literal". Sorry but if someone is honest then the first two books of Genesis are contradictory, not complementary.Honesty and Literal; two key points.

Hi again foreveryoung, Two points:(1) cognitive dissonance predicts this reaction, and
(2) remember this if you ever try to argue that there is a majority of Christians that support any particular cause or concept.And if you mean they aren't young-earth-fundamentalist-flood-literalist Christians then,(a) that was the point and,
(b) they are not the majority,Enjoy.