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Theodoric
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Message 23 of 54 (657284)
03-27-2012 11:24 AM
Reply to: Message 16 by Heathen
03-27-2012 3:29 AM


merely collating what he sees are the central 'tenets' of Atheism or Heathenism
Why does what he sees have any bearing on anything? Atheists(please learn how to spell it, the spelling is very important to the meaning) are not a religion are a not even a group any more than those who do not collect stamps are not a group. We do not have regular meetings or espouse a common moral code.
Also, atheism does not equal heathenism. Anyone that equates them is wrong and probably has no idea what they are talking about.

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Theodoric
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Message 24 of 54 (657287)
03-27-2012 11:31 AM
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03-27-2012 7:55 AM


Re: Atheist, heathenist.
You really are a tool arent you.
Lets look at the original definition you cropped in an attempt to make a lame ass point.
quote:
heathen (hn)
n. pl. heathens or heathen
1. Offensive
a. One who adheres to the religion of a people or nation that does not acknowledge the God of Judaism, Christianity, or Islam.
b. Such persons considered as a group; the unconverted.
2. Heathen An adherent of a Neopagan religion that seeks to revive the religious beliefs and practices of the ancient Germanic peoples.
3. Informal
a. One who is regarded as irreligious, uncivilized, or unenlightened.
b. Such persons considered as a group.
Out of all of that you took one line that was clearly labeled as an informal definition and even that you altered.
Do you feel "uncivilized" may be seen as too offensive but "unenlightened" is ok?
Your arguments have become offensive.

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Theodoric
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Message 37 of 54 (657405)
03-28-2012 9:18 AM
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03-28-2012 2:21 AM


Re: Why did you change his language?
because he uses the word Heathen as a more palatable, less loaded alternative. His ultimate meaning is the same. He states that.
Please show where he states atheism = heathenism. If he does it doesn't change the fact that it is wrong.

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Theodoric
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Message 38 of 54 (657406)
03-28-2012 9:22 AM
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03-28-2012 8:38 AM


Re: Atheist, heathenist.
athiests
Is it really that hard to spell the word correctly?
It is atheist as in not a theist.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

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Theodoric
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Message 46 of 54 (657477)
03-28-2012 7:20 PM
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03-28-2012 9:53 AM


Re: Why did you change his language?
So. "heathen" works as an "alternative" title to "Atheist" in order to avoid the "unhelpful connotations"
Again I repeat. They are not the same thing. No matter how many times you and this source say they are they are not.
Heathen does not work as an alternative for atheist.
I am an atheist not a heathen.

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Theodoric
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Message 50 of 54 (657517)
03-29-2012 9:19 AM
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03-29-2012 2:17 AM


Re: Why did you change his language?
I think the author realises this, and he states that he wants to reclaim (or claim) the word.
Yes he wants a word to mean something it does not mean. Does he really think using "heathen" instead of "atheist" will be some sort of PR coup?
Once upon a time the word "gay" definitely did not mean homosexual in any way shape or form. And you would probably have been there claiming it was being incorrectly used. But the word has taken on an alternative meaning, which now, to all intents and purposes has become its primary meaning
that's the beauty of language. It's not set in stone. It's fluid. It changes.
This is a ridiculous argument. "Gay" is a slang term. If you could show the same for the word "homosexual" you may have a point. Show me how "homosexual" has morphed into something else and you would have a point.

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