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ICANT
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Message 61 of 110 (662167)
05-13-2012 1:39 AM
Reply to: Message 52 by Jon
05-12-2012 8:26 AM


Re: The Light was Good
Hi JC,

JC writes:

6,000 years ago? By what measuring standard?

Information found in the Bible and put together by Ussher in his choronology of the Bible.

JC writes:

What more reasoning could you require other than the simple fact that it is specifically stated as to when Light was created. There is, of course, nothing in the text to suggest that this was merely a 'making visible on Earth' event. It was a from-scratch creationprior to which everything was in darkness. There is no other way to read the text.

You haven't shown me in which verse in the Bible that "light" was "created".

Neither have you shown me in the Bible where the sun and moon was "created".

It says God made the lights in the heaven.

Nowhere does it say God ברא (created) the lights, sun, or moon.

God did say He עשה which was translated made in the KJV but the verb is in the niphal stem which when it is would mean "to be observed".

So where do you get a from-scratch creation?

CJ writes:

There is no other way to interpret the scientific evidence.

Since according to the Bible the events in Genesis 1:2 through Genesis 2:3 took place just a little over 6,000 years ago, how do you get that to agree with science?

Science says the sun is about 4.5 billion years old.

So your sun and science disagree.

God Bless,


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Message 62 of 110 (662172)
05-13-2012 3:16 AM
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05-12-2012 10:10 PM


bluescat48 writes:

There was light energy, but the light needed on earth is the electromagnetic spectrum from the sun, the visible is not of matter, but the infrared & ultraviolet are.

I'll ask you what I asked CJ when I thought he was saying the same thing.

So, you reckon that most of the electromagnetic spectrum from gamma rays (sub 0.1nm) to long waves (1000m+) existed but the visible spectrum - the tiny bit between 400nm and 700nm - was missing?

Doesn't that sound just a bit daft to you?


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Message 63 of 110 (662181)
05-13-2012 7:02 AM
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05-13-2012 1:39 AM


Re: The Light was Good
JC writes:

6,000 years ago? By what measuring standard?

Information found in the Bible and put together by Ussher in his choronology of the Bible.

Well that doesn't tell me the standard used. For example, by the standard of today's years, the Earth and Universe are most certainly more than 6,000 years old.

You haven't shown me in which verse in the Bible that "light" was "created".

Neither have you shown me in the Bible where the sun and moon was "created".

It says God made the lights in the heaven.

Nowhere does it say God ברא (created) the lights, sun, or moon.

God did say He עשה which was translated made in the KJV but the verb is in the niphal stem which when it is would mean "to be observed".

So where do you get a from-scratch creation?

If this is your objection then you have no objection. My entire point from the OP forward has been that the light and heavenly bodies could not exist before there was matter and energy to form them from. If what you are saying is that these things weren't *poof* created with their own separate matters and energies, then I completely agree with you; they were formed from the matters and energies that already existedthat were created in the initial act of Gen 1:1.

Since according to the Bible the events in Genesis 1:2 through Genesis 2:3 took place just a little over 6,000 years ago, how do you get that to agree with science?

Science says the sun is about 4.5 billion years old.

I do not see it as a necessary disagreement. It is a matter of missing information. While it is a little much to get into in this thread, the simplest explanation (and one that is consistent with other evidence) is that years were actually longer further back in the history of the Earth and Universe. The years were indeed between 5k and 10kthere's no need to be too precise about this, but the closer we get to the Creation, the longer each year is. Those initial years would have each been as long as a few thousand or more of our modern years.

The figure of 4.5 billion years is calculated with a modern year's time length as the standard. The figure of 6k years is more or less calculated using both the modern and ancient length value of years.

CJ


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Message 64 of 110 (662199)
05-13-2012 11:37 AM
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05-13-2012 3:16 AM


OLf course it's daft. The point is that if the sun did not exist, there would have been no life. The point is that no part of the spectrum was missing, therefore the sun existed before life, which is just the opposite of the biblical creation.

There is no better love between 2 people than mutual respect for each other WT Young, 2002

Who gave anyone the authority to call me an authority on anything. WT Young, 1969

Since Evolution is only ~90% correct it should be thrown out and replaced by Creation which has even a lower % of correctness. W T Young, 2008


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ICANT
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Message 65 of 110 (662209)
05-13-2012 2:24 PM
Reply to: Message 63 by Jon
05-13-2012 7:02 AM


Re: The Light was Good
Hi CJ,

J writes:

Well that doesn't tell me the standard used. For example, by the standard of today's years, the Earth and Universe are most certainly more than 6,000 years old.

There was no measuring of duration until mankind was given the method for measuring duration during his journey here on Earth.

According to Genesis chapter 1 there was a light period which was called day. When that light period and a dark period was combined it was called day.

Every evening (the close of a light period) and the following morning (the end of a dark period) from the end of Day One has and will be a day until the end of time as mankind knows it.

Time is a concept which man has devised and decided to use to measure duration in existence. No other creature, or thing needs a clock.

CJ writes:

If this is your objection then you have no objection. My entire point from the OP forward has been that the light and heavenly bodies could not exist before there was matter and energy to form them from.

Then why ask this question in the OP?

CJ writes:

Why was there no light when the Earth was made?

In the OP you say "Earth was made when there was no light".
In the OP you say "There can be no light without something for it to illuminate".
In the OP you say "Earth was not made from the light, but light made for the Earth."

These three assertions sums up your OP.

CJ writes:

I do not see it as a necessary disagreement. It is a matter of missing information. While it is a little much to get into in this thread, the simplest explanation (and one that is consistent with other evidence) is that years were actually longer further back in the history of the Earth and Universe.

Longer based upon what?

When it takes a little less than 24 hours for the Earth to rotate 1 complete circle relative to the sun explain how that rotation was much slower in time past, and the problems that would create.

CJ writes:

The figure of 4.5 billion years is calculated with a modern year's time length as the standard.

The 4.5 billion years are caculated with man's concept of what constitutes a day, one complete rotation of the earth in relation to the sun (24 hrs) with 365.25 days equaling 1 year.

CJ writes:

The figure of 6k years is more or less calculated using both the modern and ancient length value of years.

The figure of 6k years is based on a day being one complete rotation of the earth in relation to the sun with 365.25 days equaling 1 year. Using the time of lifespans of mankind given in the Bible.

So no the 6k years is based on present day knowledge of what a year is today.

God Bless,


"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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ICANT
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Message 66 of 110 (662210)
05-13-2012 2:35 PM
Reply to: Message 64 by bluescat48
05-13-2012 11:37 AM


light and life
Hi bluescat,

bluescat48 writes:

OLf course it's daft. The point is that if the sun did not exist, there would have been no life. The point is that no part of the spectrum was missing, therefore the sun existed before life, which is just the opposite of the biblical creation.

The Biblical creation teaches no such thing.

True Biblical creation teaches there was an inhabited Earth with living creatures from the beginning as related in Genesis 1:1 and the history of that day given in Genesis 2:4-4:25.

Those life forms and cities they had built were destroyed prior to Genesis 1:2, as they did not exist at that time.

Now a lot of people you have listened to in the past may have presented what you assert but that does not make it what is recorded in the Bible.

God Bless,


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Message 67 of 110 (662215)
05-13-2012 4:13 PM
Reply to: Message 66 by ICANT
05-13-2012 2:35 PM


Life before Genesis 1:2? - NOWAY!
Those life forms and cities they had built were destroyed prior to Genesis 1:2, as they did not exist at that time.

What?

This is nonsense! It has nothing to do with the Biblical account of Creation.

Please point me to the part of the text that describes the life forms existing before Genesis 1:2.

Please point me to the part of the text that describes the cities existing before Genesis 1:2.

Please point me to the part of the text that describes the destruction of life forms before Genesis 1:2.

Please point me to the part of the text that describes the destruction of cities before Genesis 1:2.

Please, support your assertions!

True Biblical creation teaches there was an inhabited Earth with living creatures from the beginning as related in Genesis 1:1

Yet no mention of living creatures. Just that strange word, 'void'... I wonder what it means.

CJ


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Message 68 of 110 (662216)
05-13-2012 4:34 PM
Reply to: Message 65 by ICANT
05-13-2012 2:24 PM


Re: The Light was Good
When it takes a little less than 24 hours for the Earth to rotate 1 complete circle relative to the sun explain how that rotation was much slower in time past, and the problems that would create.

But as everyone knows, it is not the rotation of the Earth that determines the length of the years but rather its revolution around the Sun.

The 4.5 billion years are caculated with man's concept of what constitutes a day, one complete rotation of the earth in relation to the sun (24 hrs) with 365.25 days equaling 1 year.

More gibberish. A year is specifically the time it takes the Earth to go around the Sunirrespective of the number of days that takes to happen. A year is not calculated by multiplying one day by 365.25. Where do you think the number 365.25 comes from? It is the number of days that pass during a complete revolution of the Sun by the Earth.

The figure of 6k years is based on a day being one complete rotation of the earth in relation to the sun with 365.25 days equaling 1 year. Using the time of lifespans of mankind given in the Bible.

So no the 6k years is based on present day knowledge of what a year is today.

What a contradiction! If the calculators are using information given in the Bible than they cannot be basing their figure on 'present day knowledge of what a year is today'. Time then was differentit moved slower. Days were longer, years were longer, people lived longer; in almost every place time moved slower. Only in some places is this excess time recordedparticularly on the molecular level (radiocarbon dating, for example), and this is what scientists measure for realizing the very old age of the Earth (relative to our modern notions of years, etc.). The folks who lived in those days, however, wrote and recorded their lives with words like 'year' and 'day' that represent their understanding and experience of those lengths of time.

If we don't recognize that they are talking about years of a different length, then we will end up with numbers that are completely in contradiction to the evidence. And that just makes us look stupid.

CJ


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bluescat48
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Message 69 of 110 (662218)
05-13-2012 4:55 PM
Reply to: Message 66 by ICANT
05-13-2012 2:35 PM


Re: light and life
Gen1:1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.

Gen2:4 These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that Jehovah God made earth and heaven.
5 And no plant of the field was yet in the earth, and no herb of the field had yet sprung up; for Jehovah God had not caused it to rain upon the earth: and there was not a man to till the ground;
6 but there went up a mist from the earth, and watered the whole face of the ground.
7 And Jehovah God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

Gen1:2 And the earth was waste and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep: and the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters

Where do you get the following?

ICANT writes:

True Biblical creation teaches there was an inhabited Earth with living creatures from the beginning as related in Genesis 1:1 and the history of that day given in Genesis 2:4-4:25.

Also considering Gen 1 & Gen 2 are from different sources compiled over 100 years apart. Gen 1 is Priestly & Gen 2 is Yahvist.

Edited by bluescat48, : missing number


There is no better love between 2 people than mutual respect for each other WT Young, 2002

Who gave anyone the authority to call me an authority on anything. WT Young, 1969

Since Evolution is only ~90% correct it should be thrown out and replaced by Creation which has even a lower % of correctness. W T Young, 2008


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Message 70 of 110 (662224)
05-13-2012 6:30 PM
Reply to: Message 68 by Jon
05-13-2012 4:34 PM


Re: The Light was Good
If we don't recognize that they are talking about years of a different length, then we will end up with numbers that are completely in contradiction to the evidence. And that just makes us look stupid.

I assure you that you needn't worry about that minor detail making you look stupid. You and ICANT are putting on quite the display.

In this post however much of your argument about time is pretty much dead on. When scientists estimate the age of the sun and earth or the universe, they are using current day units for measuring purposes only. No scientist proposes that there is any link between decay rates or the rate of expansion of the universe and a shortened rotational or revolutionary period for the earth millions/billions of years ago. Similarly, we don't believe that uranium/argon/potassium decay rates are influenced in any way by dark/light cycles or the lack thereof.

But how does people living longer correlate with the year being longer in Biblical times? Wouldn't that make the actual lifespans measured in present day units even more huge?

Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given.


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Message 71 of 110 (662228)
05-13-2012 7:49 PM
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05-13-2012 6:30 PM


Re: The Light was Good
But how does people living longer correlate with the year being longer in Biblical times? Wouldn't that make the actual lifespans measured in present day units even more huge?

The quantum electron-entanglement paradox was unstable in these early days. The effects of time passage were (and still are) apparent in different degrees to different biological and non-biological entities. So there were people who really lived for 150 years as measured against the outside world since the time force (quantum electron-entanglement) affected various matters differently.

As this paradox has stabilized in recent times we see a shift toward the time passage for different things being more in sync with one another.

CJ


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Message 72 of 110 (662230)
05-13-2012 8:05 PM
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05-13-2012 7:49 PM


Re: The Light was Good
The quantum electron-entanglement paradox was unstable in these early days. The effects of time passage were (and still are) apparent in different degrees to different biological and non-biological entities. So there were people who really lived for 150 years as measured against the outside world since the time force (quantum electron-entanglement) affected various matters differently.

Is that supposed to be funny?

The problem with the above, besides the fact that it is technobable made up by you, and unsupported by either science or the Bible, is that it fails to explain why time would appear to move slowly for some purposes, and quickly for other purposes, even for apparently concurrent events. You merely assert that time behaves in such a way as to make you seem not to be stupid.

Well, your assertions are not having the intended effect. Isn't it long since time that you provided some evidence? If not, why does this thread belong in a science forum?


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Message 73 of 110 (662239)
05-14-2012 12:59 AM
Reply to: Message 68 by Jon
05-13-2012 4:34 PM


Re: The Light was Good
Hi CJ,

CJ writes:

But as everyone knows, it is not the rotation of the Earth that determines the length of the years but rather its revolution around the Sun.

And how do you determine the duration that it takes for the Earth to make it's trip around the Sun?

CJ writes:

Where do you think the number 365.25 comes from? It is the number of days that pass during a complete revolution of the Sun by the Earth.

So you actually determine how long a year is by how many 24 hour days it takes for the Earth to make it's trip around the Sun.

And a 24 hour day is determined by how long it takes for the Earth to rotate 1 complete turn in relation to the Sun.

CJ writes:

What a contradiction! If the calculators are using information given in the Bible than they cannot be basing their figure on 'present day knowledge of what a year is today'.

Why not? The rotation speed of the Earth has not changed that much in the past 6k years.

Mr Ussher's chronology was completed in the 17 century.

quote:
The Ussher chronology is a 17th-century chronology of the history of the world formulated from a literal reading of the Bible by James Ussher, the Archbishop of Armagh (Church of Ireland).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ussher_chronology

CJ writes:

Time then was differentit moved slower. Days were longer, years were longer, people lived longer; in almost every place time moved slower.

Time is a concept of man that he derived from God's light period and dark period that was a day to measure duration. So how does time change the speed of duration?

What difference does it make if you change the numbers?

If you wanted to use 48 hours for a day, would that change the duration from sunrise to sunrise? No it wouldn't.

If you wanted to use 730.5 days in a year, would that change the duration it takes for the Earth to make its journey around the Sun? No the length of duration would be the same.

You can not change duration.

CJ writes:

If we don't recognize that they are talking about years of a different length, then we will end up with numbers that are completely in contradiction to the evidence.

So explain how the duration from sunrise to sunrise changed.

You seem to want to have long periods of light followed by long periods of darkness.

I think you would have problems if the duration of a dark period was the same as a thousand years. It would get pretty cold and if it was followed by a period of light that was the same duration of a thousand years, I think it would get pretty warm.

God Bless,


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Message 74 of 110 (662243)
05-14-2012 1:56 AM
Reply to: Message 67 by Jon
05-13-2012 4:13 PM


Re: Life before Genesis 1:2? - NOWAY!
Hi CJ,

CJ writes:

Please point me to the part of the text that describes the life forms existing before Genesis 1:2.

quote:
Genesis 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

Genesis 2:4 These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens,


So the heavens and the Earth began to exist in Genesis 1:1 and Genesis 2:4 claims to be the history (generations) of the heavens and the earth when they were created.

They both existed in Genesis 1:1.

quote:
Genesis 2:7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

The first living life form on planet Earth.

quote:
Genesis 2:8 And the LORD God planted a garden eastward in Eden; and there he put the man whom he had formed.

2:9 And out of the ground made the LORD God to grow every tree that is pleasant to the sight, and good for food; the tree of life also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of knowledge of good and evil.


Vegetation the second life forms on planet Earth.

quote:
Genesis 2:19 And out of the ground the LORD God formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air; and brought them unto Adam to see what he would call them: and whatsoever Adam called every living creature, that was the name thereof.

The third life forms on planet Earth.

If you pay close attention all of these life forms were either planted or formed from the dust of the ground.

quote:
Genesis 2:22 And the rib, which the LORD God had taken from man, made he a woman, and brought her unto the man.

The first life form that was not derived from the ground.

That takes care of the animals that inhabited the Earth in the day the Lord God created the heavens and the Earth.

CJ writes:

Please point me to the part of the text that describes the cities existing before Genesis 1:2.

quote:
Genesis 4:17 And Cain knew his wife; and she conceived, and bare Enoch: and he builded a city, and called the name of the city, after the name of his son, Enoch.

That was the first city built and it was built during the day the Lord God created the heavens and the Earth as it is part of the history of that day.

quote:
Jeremiah 4:23 I beheld the earth, and, lo, it was without form, and void; and the heavens, and they had no light.

4:24 I beheld the mountains, and, lo, they trembled, and all the hills moved lightly.

4:25 I beheld, and, lo, there was no man, and all the birds of the heavens were fled.

4:26 I beheld, and, lo, the fruitful place was a wilderness, and all the cities thereof were broken down at the presence of the LORD, and by his fierce anger.

4:27 For thus hath the LORD said, The whole land shall be desolate; yet will I not make a full end.


Jeremiah gives a discription of the Earth as we find it in Genesis 1:2 and then relates that the cities have been destroyed and there is no man nor birds.

Peter tells us it was covered with water as we find in Genesis 1:2.

quote:
2 Peter 3:5 For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:

3:6 Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished:

3:7 But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.


Some people think Peter was talking about the flood of Noah but he was not. In the flood of Noah all life did not perish.

In verse 6 Peter said the world perished.

Science tells us there was many times that most life forms perished and had to rebuild.

I believe that all life forms perished and had to be restarted many times, in the day the Lord God created the heavens and the Earth.

CJ writes:

Yet no mention of living creatures. Just that strange word, 'void'... I wonder what it means.

The Hebrew word בהו that is translated void in Genesis 1:2 means emptiness.

The Earth was created to be inhabited.

quote:
Isaiah 45:18 For thus saith the LORD that created the heavens; God himself that formed the earth and made it; he hath established it, he created it not in vain, he formed it to be inhabited: I am the LORD; and there is none else.

The same Hebrew word תהו translated vain here is the same word translated without form in Genesis 1:2.

Isaiah said God did not create the mess found in Genesis 1:2.

God Bless,


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Message 75 of 110 (662244)
05-14-2012 2:03 AM
Reply to: Message 69 by bluescat48
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Re: light and life
Hi bluescat,

bluescat48 writes:

Where do you get the following?

ICANT writes:

True Biblical creation teaches there was an inhabited Earth with living creatures from the beginning as related in Genesis 1:1 and the history of that day given in Genesis 2:4-4:25.

Genesis 1:1 and the history of the day the Lord God created the heavens and the earth as given in Genesis 2:4-4:25.

bluescat48 writes:

Also considering Gen 1 & Gen 2 are from different sources compiled over 100 years apart. Gen 1 is Priestly & Gen 2 is Yahvist.

You can consider anything you want to consider.

The book of Genesis was written by Moses as the children of Israel wander in the wilderness for 40 years.

God Bless,


"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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