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Author Topic:   AiG's Strategy: Indoctrinate and Isolate
Coyote
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Message 20 of 79 (663655)
05-25-2012 9:05 PM
Reply to: Message 16 by marc9000
05-25-2012 8:41 PM


On isolation...
That's not what they said. Just a different kind of education, one that realizes that science is just another imperfect human endeavor, that it's not the only source of knowledge.
A different kind of education, eh? Things like magic, superstition, wishful thinking, old wives tales, folklore, what the stars foretell and what the neighbors think, omens, public opinion, astromancy, spells, Ouija boards, anecdotes, Da Vinci codes, tarot cards, sorcery, seances, sore bunions, black cats, divine revelation, table tipping, witch doctors, crystals and crystal balls, numerology, divination, faith healing, miracles, palm reading, the unguessable verdict of history, magic tea leaves, new age mumbo-jumbo, hoodoo, voodoo and all that other weird stuff?
Thanks, I'll stick with science. At least science has a reliable method for separating reality from the nonsense above.
That there's no defined line where science stops and atheism starts.
There's no defined line where peanuts stop and quartz crystals start either. Two different things entirely.
But back to the topic: AIG and all the others have to isolate their folks either through indoctrination or other means because their teachings can't stand the light of day.
And see signature, below...

Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.

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Message 51 of 79 (664100)
05-28-2012 11:28 PM
Reply to: Message 50 by foreveryoung
05-28-2012 11:01 PM


Dating by radiometric means has never been totally convincing to me.
A little skepticism is good, and skepticism is one of the foundations of the scientific method. When a scientists says something, a bunch of other scientists are sure to check it out and see if it is accurate. Graduate students know their career is all but made made if they successfully challenge some time-honored principle.
The geological timing of the flood is one of the things that got changed quite a bit for me. I kept pushing it back further and further because the evidence showed the impossibility of it for the specified time periods. One example was dinosaurs and their nests and their eggs all fossilized in one spot. Common sense told me that a world wide flood could not possibly sweep them up and redeposit them in that neat an order. Igneous dikes that cut through layers of sedimentary strata, sedimentary strata that was tilted and then had other sedimentary strata layered on top of it, convinced me that one year long global flood could not possibly have caused such all of those formations in the span of one year. There are many problems with it , but one of them is that an igneous intrusion would not go partially through layers of soggy wet mud and then suddenly stop and then form a horizontal sill. It would burst all the way to the top and form a flood basalt. (not flood as in water). It is obvious that there is evolution going on in the fossil record and evolution going on today. I could accept that and accept the genesis story, but it would require not accepting a darwinian explanation for it. That is still where I stand today.
Keep learning. And as Heinlein noted, "I never learned from a man who agreed with me."
Regardless of what you have seen in the past six months of me, my creationist stance has gone through a myriad of changes over the past 4 years. I cannot think of every instance right now but every night I spent in the sleeper of my truck before I went back to college, was spent pondering these things in my head, arguing over them like I do here, and researching creationist material and researching sites like talk origins and just plain old wikipedia and branching off from there.
It all paid off academically though, 28 credit hours into college and all solid A's and 2 A minuses.
Excellent! Congratulations.

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