Original Sin - Scripture and Reason

You may think that, I know otherwise.

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There's really not much to discuss is there?The concept of "Original Sin" was a brilliant marketing ploy, but not much else.I, for one, often do things that have no selfish motive I can discern and history is replete with other examples.It really is that simple.

Explanations are only worthwhile if I was trying to convince anyone and I have no desire to convince anyone.

Yes, may people might act as you assert, but not all.

I'm not sure examples are even relevant or important, but people have been known to place themselves in danger for the benefit of others, often for folk they do not even know.The basis of Christianity as I know it is a requirement to try to do what is right, to try to help others, to act as stewards. It's "do unto others as you wish they would do unto you" not "do unto others as they do unto you" or "do unto others as you think they will do unto you".It's not often making big sacrifices or doing big things but it is trying to do what is right within your power, your environment, your ethos. It's not for reward or compensation, but just because it needs doing.It's little things, running the World Community Grid on all my computers, taking in the neighbors trash can when I go get mine, putting the carts back in the proper place when folk have left them loose in the parking lot at the grocery store, giving a new mother a fountain pen, ink and journal so she can write notes to her new baby. But it can be bigger things, being a volunteer fireman, learning first aid, kneeling down when talking to kids so you are at their level...To try to tie this into the topic, even if there were some "original sin", it is our duty to try to do what is right even if it is at a major cost to ourselves, not because there is some reward or return, but simply because it is the right thing to do.

I'm not a kamikaze bee.

And I'm explaining to you that it just isn't there.Edited by jar, : fix sub-title

I'm somewhat confused by your saying you missed that when you actually quote it.The assertion I made was that I am unable to discern any selfish motive whether intellectual, genetic or otherwise in those actions I take that are unselfish.That is not a claim that all actions are unselfish and there are certainly times that I do things that might meet your criteria, but the essence is that as a human I can behave beyond simply responding to any genetic or selfish causes.If you do not want to discuss this topic then stop posting in this thread.

Lots of words but I see no content.Sorry but that is a fact.We are in "Faith and Belief".It is a fact that I and others do things that are not driven by selfish motives.AbE:It is our duty to escape the power of "memes" and other irrelevancies.Edited by jar, : see AbE:

Yawn.I have stated my position and even given examples. If you wish to refute that then you need to present evidence that a specific selfish motive drove those actions, not simply speculate about some imagined motives or causes.

Respect is earned. Sorry but that deserves a BIG yawn. It's just silly.Let's take one case at a time.What is the selfish motive for my pushing grocery carts back into the store from the parking lot?

Sorry but considered all those and no they did not apply.Try again.Edited by jar, : spelling and fumble fingers

Because absolutely none of those were motives. I was there remember.

Lots of words but no content I could find.Sorry but the only motive was that the carts were there and I could push them back.It does not help the community, does not enhance my status (even if I cared about that), would not encourage anyone else to push carts back and I don't care if they do anyway, ...A real human does what they are capable of doing simply because it is the right thing to do.It really is that simple.