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Author Topic:   Atheists control science
jar
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Message 68 of 124 (671552)
08-27-2012 10:44 AM
Reply to: Message 67 by Theodoric
08-27-2012 10:34 AM


Re: Words are so hard
And he is quoting from their definition of "atheism" and not "atheist".

Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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jar
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Message 73 of 124 (671566)
08-27-2012 3:01 PM
Reply to: Message 72 by NoNukes
08-27-2012 2:55 PM


Re: Scientists control science
And in the end, it is reality that controls science despite what marc9000 might wish.
No matter how fervently he might wish it, things like young earth, Creationism, the Biblical Flood, the Garden of Eden or Adam and Eve will never again be considered as scientific.
It really is that simple.
Reality won.

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jar
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Message 81 of 124 (671610)
08-28-2012 11:57 AM
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08-28-2012 11:46 AM


Re: Scientists control science
Mostly in the US. The reality is that other nations will step up and do the research and the US will simply get left behind yet again.
Religion has often been a stumbling block where science is concerned, but in the long run religious interference simply loses. An example was the delay in medicine caused by religious objections to autopsies on human bodies.

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Message 96 of 124 (671773)
08-30-2012 11:03 AM
Reply to: Message 95 by Percy
08-30-2012 10:50 AM


Re: Back to the Topic
The Dalai Lama was once asked "What if you found out that there was no God, no rebirth, no afterlife?" His reply was "Then we would have to say that we were wrong."
If Creationists presented the "Creator" or if ID Proponents presented the "Designer", then science would say "We were wrong."
And that is the big difference.
Science is built on learning "We were wrong" and embraces that.

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jar
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Message 99 of 124 (671800)
08-30-2012 1:50 PM
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08-30-2012 1:45 PM


Re: Back to the Topic
Biology, Chemistry and Physics would have to say they were wrong as a start.
If hydrogen and oxygen combine to form water simply because some God or Designer decided that's how it would be until She changed her mind it eliminates all we know about chemistry.
If lightning is really just the result of God getting pissed then we need to rethink all we know about physics.

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jar
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Message 101 of 124 (671803)
08-30-2012 2:16 PM
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08-30-2012 2:07 PM


Re: Back to the Topic
You are free to disagree.

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jar
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Message 108 of 124 (671813)
08-30-2012 3:44 PM
Reply to: Message 102 by hooah212002
08-30-2012 2:29 PM


Re: Back to the Topic
Perhaps you can point out where I said that.

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jar
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Message 110 of 124 (671815)
08-30-2012 3:51 PM
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08-30-2012 3:49 PM


Re: Back to the Topic
Which is irrelevant to what you claim I said.
hoo writes:
And you are free to provide evidence that natural science has ANYTHING to say about gods since you are the one that made the claim.
I never said natural science has anything to say about gods.

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jar
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Message 112 of 124 (671817)
08-30-2012 4:07 PM
Reply to: Message 111 by hooah212002
08-30-2012 4:02 PM


Re: Back to the Topic
In NOT saying anything about the Creator or Designer and thinking that chemistry and biology and physics happened because of natural laws instead of whim.

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jar
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Message 114 of 124 (671819)
08-30-2012 4:24 PM
Reply to: Message 113 by hooah212002
08-30-2012 4:12 PM


Re: Back to the Topic
Exactly correct. As I said in Message 96 that is the value of science.
quote:
The Dalai Lama was once asked "What if you found out that there was no God, no rebirth, no afterlife?" His reply was "Then we would have to say that we were wrong."
If Creationists presented the "Creator" or if ID Proponents presented the "Designer", then science would say "We were wrong."
And that is the big difference.
Science is built on learning "We were wrong" and embraces that.
When new evidence is presented an honest scientist says, "Whoops, what I thought was the answer is wrong."

Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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jar
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Message 116 of 124 (671821)
08-30-2012 4:34 PM
Reply to: Message 115 by hooah212002
08-30-2012 4:27 PM


Re: Back to the Topic
You are free to hold whatever opinion you want, but I used the terms creator and designer for specific reasons, that the terms imply direct control.

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jar
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Message 119 of 124 (671843)
08-30-2012 9:11 PM
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08-30-2012 9:07 PM


Re: Back to the Topic
Maybe shudda wudda cudda.
But as you yourself point out that is not the Creator that is marketed by either the Creationists or ID Salesmen.

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jar
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Message 121 of 124 (671848)
08-30-2012 9:33 PM
Reply to: Message 120 by NoNukes
08-30-2012 9:31 PM


Re: Back to the Topic
I have never been able to figure out what Genomicus argues for.

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