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Message 12 of 124 (671069)
08-22-2012 5:54 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by marc9000
08-19-2012 7:27 PM


marc9000 writes:
There is also not a shred of evidence that ANYONE but atheists, with the complete approval of their "religious" allies (theistic evolutionists, Deists, etc.) make all decisions concerning publicly funded/government sponsored methods of exploration in science.
Could you tell me exactly who is excluded from this process then - is it just the agnostics that have anything to complain about?
As far as I'm aware, atheist+deist+theist+agnostic=pretty much all of humanity.
So it seems that everybody but agnostics (and some ancestor worshippers and maybe the odd witch doctor) controls science?
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Message 14 of 124 (671078)
08-22-2012 7:53 AM


For atheists to control science, they must be in a position to do so. This shows the breakdown of religious beliefs amongst scientists.
Studies on the views of scientists
Among contemporary scientistsphysicists and biologistsabout 40% held strong religious beliefs in 1997, which closely matched those of a similar 1916 poll.[69][93]
According to a 1996 survey of United States scientists in the fields of biology, mathematics, and physics/astronomy, belief in a god that is "in intellectual and affective communication with humankind" was most popular among mathematicians (about 45%) and least popular among physicists (about 22%). In total, about 60% of United States scientists in these fields expressed disbelief or agnosticism toward a personal god who answers prayer and personal immortality.[95] This compared with 58% in 1914 and 67% in 1933.
Among members of the National Academy of Sciences, 7.0% expressed personal belief, while 72.2% expressed disbelief and another 20.8% were agnostic concerning the existence of a personal god who answers prayer.[99]
A survey conducted between 2005 and 2007 by Elaine Howard Ecklund of University at Buffalo, The State University of New York found that over 60% of natural and social science professors at 21 elite US research universities are atheists or agnostics. When asked whether they believed in God, nearly 34% answered "I do not believe in God" and about 30% answering "I do not know if there is a God and there is no way to find out."[94] According to the same survey, "[m]any scientists see themselves as having a spirituality not attached to a particular religious tradition."[100] In further analysis, published in 2007, Ecklund and Christopher Scheitle conclude that "the assumption that becoming a scientist necessarily leads to loss of religion is untenable" and that "it appears that those from non-religious backgrounds disproportionately self-select into scientific professions. This may reflect the fact that there is tension between the religious tenets of some groups and the theories and methods of particular sciences and it contributes to the large number of non-religious scientists."[101]
An explanation has been offered by Farr Curlin, a University of Chicago Instructor in Medicine and a member of the MacLean Center for Clinical Medical Ethics, that science-minded religious people instead elect to study medicine. He helped author a study that "found that 76 percent of doctors believe in God and 59 percent believe in some sort of afterlife." and "90 percent of doctors in the United States attend religious services at least occasionally, compared to 81 percent of all adults." He reasoned, "The responsibility to care for those who are suffering and the rewards of helping those in need resonate throughout most religious traditions."[97]
Another study conducted by the Pew Research Center found that "just over half of scientists (51%) believe in some form of deity or higher power; specifically, 33% of scientists say they believe in God, while 18% believe in a universal spirit or higher power."[102] 48% say they have a religious affiliation, equal to the number who say they are not affiliated with any religious tradition. The survey also found younger scientists to be "substantially more likely than their older counterparts to say they believe in God". Among the surveyed fields, chemists were the most likely to say they believe in God.[96]
Religious beliefs of US professors, many in scientific fields, were recently examined using a nationally representative sample of more than 1400, published in Sociology of Religion. They found that 60.8 percent of biology professors "are either atheists or agnostics" (p. 115).[103]
Ecklund and Sheitle, in a 2005—2007 survey,[104] compared differences between natural and social scientists at the 21 elite US research universities that they surveyed. 52 percent of the scientists listed themselves as having no religious affiliation. Analyses of the more than 1600 responses indicated that "differences in religiosity between natural and social scientists are simply no longer a meaningful descriptor of the place of religion in the academy. For the most part, there is little difference between these larger fields [social versus natural science] or between the specific disciplines themselves. The differences that do exist are seen among chemists and political scientists who are more likely to be religious, according to traditional indicators, when compared to physicists"
Relationship between religion and science - Wikipedia
I'd say that degree of atheism in the NAS is quite surprising, whist the proportion in the general population of scientists is pretty much what I would have expected - science is not dominated by atheists.
So now it's marc's task to show how this distribution manages to control all of science.

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Message 33 of 124 (671199)
08-23-2012 3:46 AM
Reply to: Message 26 by marc9000
08-22-2012 8:03 PM


Re: Atheists? control science
marc9000 writes:
A legitimate question - my definition of atheist in this case is anyone with a political opposition to traditional religious practice in the U.S. such as, but not limited to;
*The words "In God We Trust" on our money
*The few tax advantages that churches receive
*Public Ten Commandments displays
*Most importantly, "endowed by our CREATOR with certain unalienable rights". I realize that the word "creator" and "God" are nowhere to be found in the constitution, but that phrase is in the declaration, and the liberty and limited government that the constitution is about followed it. So by the time this thread is over, there should be a much better understanding of why science really is saturated with politics, and why so many scientists are Democrats.
Well bugger me, only Americans can be atheists. That's a bit of a surprise.

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Message 60 of 124 (671541)
08-27-2012 3:17 AM
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08-26-2012 6:49 PM


You do know that as well as atheists not being exclusively American, that science happens outside America too don't you?
The Higgs Boson is the same in France as it is in Chicago. And weirdly, it's the same whether looked at by an agnostic a Muslim, an old atheist, a new atheist, an aggressive atheist, a mildly amused atheist, a rather disappointed atheist or a politician.
It genuinely doesn't care. It seems very likely that it would be the same even if a fundamental Christian - of whatever flavour you prefer - looked for it.
How do American atheists determine the science practiced by neighbour here in England who's looking into the genetic basis for addiction?
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