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mram10
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Message 256 of 285 (735810)
08-25-2014 7:14 PM
Reply to: Message 252 by jar
08-23-2014 8:04 PM


Re: more signs of willful ignorance
If you have proof that life started from elements with no help from an ID/God, please show me. Not theory, but proof.
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mram10
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Message 257 of 285 (735811)
08-25-2014 7:17 PM
Reply to: Message 253 by Omnivorous
08-23-2014 11:10 PM


Re: more signs of willful ignorance
Are military members and sales people more apt to oppose the theory of ev?
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NoNukes
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Message 258 of 285 (735817)
08-25-2014 8:22 PM
Reply to: Message 256 by mram10
08-25-2014 7:14 PM


Re: more signs of willful ignorance
If you have proof that life started from elements with no help from an ID/God, please show me. Not theory, but proof.

No one can provide such proof. But it's not necessary to do that in order to show that Creationism is wrong. Creationism requires that human beings were formed directly from earth. The evidence that man evolved is enough to show that proposition to be wrong.

Abiogenesis is not even theory, it is at best a hypothesis. But evolution is fact.


Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)

I have never met a man so ignorant that I couldn't learn something from him. Galileo Galilei

If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass


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jar
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Message 259 of 285 (735818)
08-25-2014 8:29 PM
Reply to: Message 256 by mram10
08-25-2014 7:14 PM


more signs of dishonesty
Nice attempt to move the goal posts. The carny con artists would be proud of you.

what you actually said was "You have no proof, but you have a very interesting story that tries to dispense with a higher power.,"

There is evidence of natural processes but no evidence of a higher power and so need to dispense with something that is both unnecessary and unevidenced.

If you actually have evidence of a god please place it on the table so all can examine it.


Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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Omnivorous
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Message 260 of 285 (735822)
08-25-2014 10:04 PM
Reply to: Message 257 by mram10
08-25-2014 7:17 PM


Re: more signs of willful ignorance
mram10 writes:

Are military members and sales people more apt to oppose the theory of ev?

I dunno.

Was I right? I bet I was.


"If you can keep your head while those around you are losing theirs, you can collect a lot of heads."

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dwise1
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Message 261 of 285 (735823)
08-25-2014 10:20 PM
Reply to: Message 257 by mram10
08-25-2014 7:17 PM


Re: more signs of willful ignorance
Just polled a 35-year military veteran. Me. Answer is "Of course not!"

Now what this military veteran does oppose are liars, deceivers, and enemies of the Constitution of the United States of America. Which anymore would include most "true Christians."


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Message 262 of 285 (735825)
08-26-2014 12:56 AM
Reply to: Message 256 by mram10
08-25-2014 7:14 PM


Re: more signs of willful ignorance
Not theory, but proof.

Creationists are always demanding "proof" as opposed to theory.

They either do not know the meaning of "theory" in science, or are just dishonest (probably both).

They must think that in science we progress from idea to hypothesis to theory to proof and then to law or something equally silly.

But I'm not going to explain it (once again) as they are unwilling to learn and it is a waste of time on my part.

Willful ignorance is its own self-inflicted punishment.


Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.

Belief gets in the way of learning--Robert A. Heinlein

How can I possibly put a new idea into your heads, if I do not first remove your delusions?--Robert A. Heinlein

It's not what we don't know that hurts, it's what we know that ain't so--Will Rogers

If I am entitled to something, someone else is obliged to pay--Jerry Pournelle

If a religion's teachings are true, then it should have nothing to fear from science...--dwise1

"Multiculturalism" does not include the American culture. That is what it is against.


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ringo
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Message 263 of 285 (735841)
08-26-2014 12:18 PM
Reply to: Message 256 by mram10
08-25-2014 7:14 PM


Re: more signs of willful ignorance
mram10 writes:

If you have proof that life started from elements with no help from an ID/God, please show me. Not theory, but proof.


If you have proof that objects fall with no help from pink unicorns, please show us.

I don't think you can. Of course, your first objection might be that there is no evidence that pink unicorns even exist....


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Taq
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Message 264 of 285 (735868)
08-27-2014 1:41 PM
Reply to: Message 250 by mram10
08-23-2014 6:29 PM


How do you know that life started as simple organisms?? How "simple" is the most simple organism? With the increase in knowledge and technology, we know that no life is simple.
It is funny that you call your stance a "theory" and my stance a "belief". You have no proof, but you have a very interesting story that tries to dispense with a higher power. Look under a microscope once in a while and study the complexity of the most "simple" forms of life without bias

What is most interesting is that you avoided the topic of the thread. Even more, you are doing exactly what I asked ID/creationists not to do. Falsifying evolution/abiogenesis is not evidence for ID. ID still has to stand on its own.

I am still waiting for the description of the experiments you will use to test ID/creationism.

Added by edit: Thought it would be useful to reiterate the material from the OP.

"Show us what the ID research program would actually need to do, what equipment would be needed to do this research, and how you would prioritize the money in this laboratory. Show us what a real ID research program would look like.

Now mind you, this money is not to be spent testing evolution. It is meant to study ID, not evolution. Any experiments that test evolution will not meet the guidelines set out in the challenge."

Edited by Taq, : No reason given.


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Taq
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Message 265 of 285 (735869)
08-27-2014 1:43 PM
Reply to: Message 256 by mram10
08-25-2014 7:14 PM


Re: more signs of willful ignorance
If you have proof that life started from elements with no help from an ID/God, please show me. Not theory, but proof.

Where are your experiments that test the idea that God started life?

"That which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence."--Christopher Hitchens


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MrIntelligentDesign
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Message 266 of 285 (769536)
09-21-2015 11:57 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Taq
08-30-2012 12:39 PM


quote:
Some people claim that ID researchers are ignored and persecuted, the result of which is that ID researchers can not get research money to study ID.

So what if they did get $5,000,000 to spend on a new research facility? What would they spend it on? That is the challenge for this thread. Show us what the ID research program would actually need to do, what equipment would be needed to do this research, and how you would prioritize the money in this laboratory. Show us what a real ID research program would look like.

Now mind you, this money is not to be spent testing evolution. It is meant to study ID, not evolution. Any experiments that test evolution will not meet the guidelines set out in the challenge.


Oh please, I need that amount to:

1. Re-edit all my science books about the new Intelligent Design for correct grammars. The science is great but not the grammars. Currently, the new Intelligent Design had published these 5 science books in Amazon as e-books and the combined pages will become 800 pages. There one is coming titled "PEER-REVIEW and the new Intelligent Design: a documentary". There are three more coming and there are more researches to be done and be published, thus the total pages will be 2000 pages.

2000 pages per 20 US dollars each = 40,000 US dollars.

2. I will use that amount to research the replacement for Biological Evolution (ToE). The replacement is called Biological Interrelation, BiTs. I will be needing US 1,500,000 to research the best implications of BiTs to humans' engineering and technology. Of course, ToE has no place.

3. I will be needing the amount to research and fund a new math for Certainty Principle (CP) in lieu of Uncertainty Principle (UP) since the new predicts that UP is wrong. I need US 1.5 million to nail that topic. Also, I need another 1.0 mil USD to research the predicted possible equation or math for the Theory of Everything (TOE) since the new predicts it too.

4. I will need USD 2.0 million to use that in Psychology especially in Cognitive Psychology to revolutionize the whole field. WE ARE TOTALLY WRONG in Psychology!

5. I need the remaining amount to give more seminars to universities around the world to share the new discoveries in science from the new Intelligent Design .

Thus, give me that amount please...


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Coyote
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Message 267 of 285 (769537)
09-22-2015 12:11 AM
Reply to: Message 266 by MrIntelligentDesign
09-21-2015 11:57 PM


Nonsense
Is any of that "peer review" real peer review?

You know, from real scientists?

And are any of those five or eight publications something other than self-published?

You know, like real publications?

Oh, and in a previous post you were looking for the Nobel Prize in a bunch of different categories. A lot of those don't even exist. The Nobel Prize is awarded for Physics, Chemistry, Medicine, Literature, Peace, and Economic Sciences.

"Intelligent design" doesn't qualify for a number of reasons, one of which it is the exact opposite of real science.

[This is not the best place for someone to be posting nonsense.]


Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.

Belief gets in the way of learning--Robert A. Heinlein

How can I possibly put a new idea into your heads, if I do not first remove your delusions?--Robert A. Heinlein

It's not what we don't know that hurts, it's what we know that ain't so--Will Rogers

If I am entitled to something, someone else is obliged to pay--Jerry Pournelle

If a religion's teachings are true, then it should have nothing to fear from science...--dwise1

"Multiculturalism" demands that the US be tolerant of everything except its own past, culture, traditions, and identity.


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Dr Adequate
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Message 268 of 285 (769538)
09-22-2015 1:00 AM
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09-21-2015 11:57 PM


It's not very specific, is it? What actual experiments would you be doing? What equipment would you need?
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MrIntelligentDesign
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Message 269 of 285 (769540)
09-22-2015 3:20 AM
Reply to: Message 267 by Coyote
09-22-2015 12:11 AM


Re: Nonsense
Yes, we need real science and we can make new category in Nobel Prize since it will give more inspirations to many young scientists.

Yes, as of today, those science books are self-published. If you complain about science, you can easily smash them out IF YOU CAN.

You had never read those science books that is why you still don't know what you are fighting for..

BUT, give me that amount and I will tell you that your beloved ToE will surely be kicked out since I've already replacement...

BUT there are more about my new discoveries...

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Nothing makes sense in science except in the light of Intelligent Design . So, interrelation is unproved and un-provable. We believe it only because the only alternative is evolution, and that is unthinkable.

Edited by MrIntelligentDesign, : No reason given.


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MrIntelligentDesign
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Message 270 of 285 (769541)
09-22-2015 3:23 AM
Reply to: Message 268 by Dr Adequate
09-22-2015 1:00 AM


Why you ask? Do you have that amount???

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Nothing makes sense in science except in the light of Intelligent Design . So, interrelation is unproved and un-provable. We believe it only because the only alternative is evolution, and that is unthinkable.


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