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Message 31 of 67 (732376)
07-07-2014 12:44 AM
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But the Solis has negatively polarized charges of photons.

I'm tutoring some students this summer on the topic of classical physics. I am using the Openstax textbook, "College Physics", developed by Rice University as a reference. Rice says that at least 55 universities are using the textbook for a course.

This excellent text book is available online for free. Chapters 30 and onward deal with nuclear physics, with chapter 31 dealing most directly with the subject on which you are speaking. Well, at least as best as I can tell.

As Beyonce once put it, "Let me upgrade you."


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Message 32 of 67 (732378)
07-07-2014 3:02 AM


I will stick with my 11e University Physics with Modern Physics by Young and Freeman. Though the text you are using doesn't look watered down.
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Message 33 of 67 (732380)
07-07-2014 5:24 AM
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I will stick with my 11e University Physics with Modern Physics by Young and Freeman. Though the text you are using doesn't look watered down.

The book you have should be fine. What does it say about "charges of photons"? or negative polarization of such?

ABE:

In your textbook, you might start with chapters 32 and 33. Light polarization is discussed in section 33.5.

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Message 34 of 67 (732384)
07-07-2014 7:15 AM


What does it say about "charges of photons"? or negative polarization of such?
It says nothing other than the standard photoelectric effect. Photons could have been photoelectrons; but I think of photons as cycles of charge, but they are overall, negative. This can seen by how a laser pulls hot metal away instead of pushing it around. So-called "Positive" polarization would be invisible to the onlooker. In effect, anything electron/positron related tends to produce repelling magnetics and radioactivity.

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Message 35 of 67 (732394)
07-07-2014 9:03 AM
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07-07-2014 7:15 AM


Photons could have been photoelectrons;

No, the photons could not have been electrons.


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Message 36 of 67 (732449)
07-07-2014 3:25 PM
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OS writes:

It says nothing other than the standard photoelectric effect. Photons could have been photoelectrons; but I think of photons as cycles of charge, but they are overall, negative.

I think you're confusing photons and electrons. A photon has neither mass nor charge, while an electron has both. A photoelectron is just a normal electron that has been freed due to the photoelectric effect. It is not some combination of a photon and electron.

But they aren't completely unrelated. For example, an electron will emit a photon when its energy level drops.

--Percy


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Message 37 of 67 (732457)
07-07-2014 4:34 PM
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But they aren't completely unrelated. For example, an electron will emit a photon when its energy level drops.

Yes. E&M radiation can be emitted whenever a charge is accelerated, including during deceleration. For example Bremsstrahlung radiation can be emitted when the path of an electron is changed by interaction with a heavy nucleus.

But I think OS's confusion is far more pervasive than a mere confusion of photoelectrons with photons. For example, what is he saying about a laser beam attracting metal? About negatively and positively charged polarization, among other things? Why does he think metal is positively charged?


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Message 38 of 67 (732463)
07-07-2014 4:58 PM
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the metal has a combination of negative and positive charges, but the light beam pulls the metal using a negative charge.

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Message 39 of 67 (732467)
07-07-2014 5:45 PM
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07-07-2014 4:58 PM


I call bullshit.

Cite a verifiable example, or hush - light beams do not carry charge.


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Message 40 of 67 (732525)
07-08-2014 12:44 AM
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07-07-2014 4:58 PM


but the light beam pulls the metal using a negative charge.

About 2 out of every three of your posts contain incorrect statements about physics. Many of your posts contain two or more demonstrably wrong statements. Why is that?


Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)

I have never met a man so ignorant that I couldn't learn something from him. Galileo Galilei

If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass


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Message 41 of 67 (732757)
07-10-2014 3:57 PM
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07-07-2014 5:45 PM


I didn't say it was electricity. But to say negative charges repel is bullshit. Negative charges hold the universe together, and prevent positively charged electrons from repelling each other too much.

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Message 42 of 67 (732796)
07-10-2014 9:13 PM
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07-07-2014 5:45 PM


I call bullshit.

What else is a poe'd boy to do?


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Message 43 of 67 (732799)
07-10-2014 9:57 PM
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What else is a poe'd boy to do?

Exactly. Nobody is that stupid.


Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)

I have never met a man so ignorant that I couldn't learn something from him. Galileo Galilei

If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass


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Message 44 of 67 (732809)
07-11-2014 7:18 AM
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entertaining though ... just goes to show that nobody is completely worthless ...

they can always serve as a bad example

Enjoy


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Message 45 of 67 (732815)
07-11-2014 9:02 AM
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I'm reminded of an old Peanuts comic strip where Charlie Brown comments that Linus is going to have to go to school twice as long as everyone else so he can unlearn everything Lucy taught him. Just where did you pick up all these odd ideas about light and electric charges?

--Percy


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