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Message 46 of 67 (732817)
07-11-2014 9:44 AM
Reply to: Message 38 by OS
07-07-2014 4:58 PM


I also call bullshit.

I've been working with LASER ablation techniques in Mass Spectrometry for almost 20 years and this is the first time I have ever heard anybody spout such a load of rubbish about it.

LASERs ablate material by heating it to the point of vaporization whereupon it rapidly expands into the cooler gas surrounding the point of ablation.
The ablated material composes of a mixture of charged (both - and + ions) and neutral particles of various sizes (depending largely on the energy supplied by the LASER).

LASER Desoprtion is a technique used to directly ionize organic materials for introduction into a mass spectrometer. Different compounds accept different charges (some + and some -) when hit with a LASER. This is pretty well understood and is used to the analyst's advantage by only taking the negatively charged components into the mass spec while rejecting unwanted positively charged components. (can be reversed in some cases)
This is most typically used in MALDI and similar techniques

There is no pulling involved. It is more like an explosion.

The sum of positively and negatively charged ions coming from an ablation event are pretty much equal to the overall initial charge of the object being ablated. There will be a certain amount of loss though. Some electrons or protons may be lost or gained in interactions with the local environment.
This is especially true in a very high powered LASER where the point of ablation becomes a plasma

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Plasma is loosely described as an electrically neutral medium of positive and negative particles (i.e. the overall charge of a plasma is roughly zero). It is important to note that although they are unbound, these particles are not ‘free’. When the charges move they generate electrical currents with magnetic fields, and as a result, they are affected by each other’s fields. This governs their collective behavior with many degrees of freedom

All the LASER supplies is heat.
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Message 47 of 67 (732831)
07-11-2014 12:51 PM
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07-10-2014 3:57 PM


OS writes:

Negative charges hold the universe together....


That almost sounds like chemical bonding - electrons (negatively charged) are shared by positively-charged nuclei.

Is it possible that you got some correct information somewhere and totally screwed it up?


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Message 48 of 67 (732832)
07-11-2014 1:50 PM
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07-10-2014 3:57 PM


I didn't say it was electricity. But to say negative charges repel is bullshit. Negative charges hold the universe together, and prevent positively charged electrons from repelling each other too much.

I have a bachelors degree in electrical engineering and I almost got an ice cream headache reading those sentences.

First off, if you are talking positive and negative charges, what might you be referring to if not electricity?

Secondly, charges either attract or repel. But they don't have anything to do with what 'holds the universe together'. That is accomplished via gravity, through its affect on matter, and through the strong nuclear force (gluons) that are a constituent of neutrons that prevent positively charged protons from flying apart.

Incidentally, positively charged electrons are called 'positrons'.


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Message 49 of 67 (732834)
07-11-2014 2:38 PM
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07-11-2014 1:50 PM


Don't feed the troll
Secondly, charges either attract or repel. But they don't have anything to do with what 'holds the universe together'.

As ringo pointed out, if we allow OS the use of some poetry, we could interpret 'hold the universe together' to be a description of chemical bonding. If we do that we can find some truth in his post. And is there in truth no beauty?

That still leaves a couple of handfuls of manure in his post. Electrons prevent positrons from repelling too much? A complete denial that negatively charged particles repel each other? No easy justification for any of that stuff. Plenty of ugly.

Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given.


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Message 50 of 67 (732840)
07-11-2014 4:12 PM
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07-11-2014 12:51 PM


It is an unusual hypothesis/theory of the standard model. I should have kept my mouth shut.
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Message 51 of 67 (732841)
07-11-2014 4:14 PM
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Re: Don't feed the troll
The electrons are actually holes for subprotons, while positrons are actually common electrons. The thing would be that electrons would start at the positive end, and the nucleus holes do all the work.

Edited by OS, : No reason given.


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Message 52 of 67 (732842)
07-11-2014 4:16 PM
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07-11-2014 9:44 AM


DELETED

Edited by OS, : No reason given.

Edited by OS, : The question was not worth it.


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Message 53 of 67 (732846)
07-11-2014 4:49 PM
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07-11-2014 4:14 PM


Re: Don't feed the troll
No, you're totally wrong and misguided. But rejoice! all the answers to your questions, and even ones you didn't know you have, can be found here:

http://www.timecube.com/


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Message 54 of 67 (732870)
07-11-2014 7:34 PM
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Re: Don't feed the troll
all the answers to your questions, and even ones you didn't know you have, can be found here:

Ouch, CS. That link goes to a very bad place.


Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)

I have never met a man so ignorant that I couldn't learn something from him. Galileo Galilei

If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass


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Message 55 of 67 (732875)
07-11-2014 9:07 PM
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Re: Don't feed the troll
Perhaps, you should visit the site by yourself.
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Message 56 of 67 (732908)
07-12-2014 11:40 AM
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07-11-2014 4:12 PM


OS writes:

It is an unusual hypothesis/theory of the standard model. I should have kept my mouth shut.


You need to understand the standard model before proposing unusual hypotheses of your own.
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Message 57 of 67 (732910)
07-12-2014 12:01 PM
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07-11-2014 9:07 PM


Re: Don't feed the troll
I'll get as much sense out of that webpage as I'll get out of you.

This isn't really a good place for cranks to write gibberish.


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Message 58 of 67 (732917)
07-12-2014 12:45 PM
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07-12-2014 12:01 PM


Re: Don't feed the troll
This isn't really a good place for cranks to write gibberish.

Actually, I don't mind the cranks so much as long as they do the job properly. The best cranks don't just spout bad science. They also have a fully developed philosophy behind the science that can be fun to probe, poke at, and laugh about dismissively.

But just spouting a couple of silly incoherent concepts or denying one or two well known physical laws does not entertain. If OS has a framework he'd like to discuss hopefully we'll get a topic started to discuss it.


Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)

I have never met a man so ignorant that I couldn't learn something from him. Galileo Galilei

If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass


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Message 59 of 67 (733115)
07-14-2014 10:10 AM
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07-12-2014 12:45 PM


Re: Don't feed the troll
But just spouting a couple of silly incoherent concepts or denying one or two well known physical laws does not entertain. If OS has a framework he'd like to discuss hopefully we'll get a topic started to discuss it.

In the other thread he participated in, someone asked OS for a reference for his claim. He responded: "I am not your peer. Look it up yourself."

So fuck this guy.

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Message 60 of 67 (733682)
07-20-2014 9:59 AM
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07-14-2014 10:10 AM


Re: Don't feed the troll
No, fuck yourself. You didn't even watch your language.
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