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Author Topic:   Motivation for Denying God and Accepting Evolution
Taq
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Message 22 of 39 (673584)
09-20-2012 1:00 PM
Reply to: Message 13 by Genologist
09-19-2012 12:31 PM


Re: Evolution is a FACT.
The ToE with its current ambiguity, (such as is widely taught in schools/mainstream education), coupled with an insistence that every genetic transaction in evolution is unguided or random is why I assert that there is a religious ambition to exclude a Creator.
Like most creationists, you have things completely backwards. Within science, you need evidence in order to INCLUDE a mechanism. Creationists have been incapable of producing this evidence. In science, there is no Creator to exclude. What is included in science are the mechanisms we have evidence for, and those include natural selection and random mutation (with respect to fitness). If you want a Creator included in science then get off your butt and do the scientific research.
the religious pursuit by some to obviate a Creator from science or even from the origins of scientific theories stems from the dislike for accountability or relationship with a being higher than ones-self (pride?).
How do you use the theory of evolution to remove accountability? That doesn't make any sense at all. Is the theory of gravity also an attempt to remove God from the motion of the planets, therefore removing accountability to God? Name one theory where this doesn't apply.

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Message 37 of 39 (673679)
09-21-2012 12:32 PM
Reply to: Message 24 by Genologist
09-20-2012 6:08 PM


Re: Evolution is a FACT.
What other general reason has there ever been for rejecting any authority?
Let's see . . .
1. The authority doesn't exist.
2. The authority commands people to do immoral acts.
3. The authority lacks the support of the community.
Those are just three off the top of my head. Perhaps you should try harder?
Sadly in the case of the Creator God many have misunderstood what type of authority He is, He is a God of love, he wants what is best for us, but we have been given free will, the chance to choose, and the time to do it in. However denying that He exists does not change His status, only ours.
Simply stating that God exists does not make it so. Surely you understand this? When you are naughty, are you worried that Santa Claus might have seen you do that naughty thing? Do you reject Santa's authority because you want to be naughty?
By the way, could somebody please explain how the simple common ancestor life form, traditionally taught as being the "humble" amoeba could have 290 billion units of DNA- some one hundred times that of the human being when evolution clearly teaches a progression in complexity (and a gaining of genetic information) from simple life forms to the most complex such as yours truly! Perhaps this simple thing will confound the wise, and the "Fact" of evolution will once more "need" to be "in evolution".
We did not evolve from the modern amoeba. The modern amoeba is just as evolved as we are, so you might as well ask how the modern amoeba could have evolved from humans.

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Message 39 of 39 (673732)
09-21-2012 5:48 PM


Cardinal Bellarmine
In discussions like these I can't help but think of Cardinal Bellarmine's reaction to Galileo's "heresy":
"First, . . . to want to affirm that in reality the sun is at the center of the world and only turns on itself without moving from east to west, and the earth . . . revolves with great speed about the sun . . . is a very dangerous thing, likely not only to irritate all scholastic philosophers and theologians, but also to harm the Holy Faith by rendering Holy Scripture false."
http://www.historyguide.org/earlymod/foscarini.html
Today we here the same about evolution. It's as if evolution was invented for the sole purpose proving the Bible wrong. Some people just can't accept the fact that this is where the evidence leads just as the evidence led to heliocentrism. It has nothing to do with needing to remove God from anything. Even I, as an atheist, do not believe that evolution disproves God. When I was a christian I accepted both the Bible and science, and saw no conflict between the two. The reasons that I left the faith have nothing to do with science, or with evolution specifically.

  
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