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dronestar
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Message 1 of 58 (676775)
10-25-2012 9:38 AM


"a problem of culture within the BBC"
STRAG writes:
The BBC is probably about the most trusted international news source in the world.
Message 37
BG writes:
But it's only natural that I should be interested in what seemed to me to be an only slightly veiled accusation of corruption in another corporation of which I happen to be part owner, and whose standards of behaviour are important to me.
Message 67
Bluegenes and Straggler,
The BBC's recent activities and coverups seem more fitting for the Catholic church or boy scout association than a trusted media outlet. Sadly, no matter how horrifically repetitive the Catholic church's actions are, there are some people who STILL cling to its failed moral leadership:
1. Do you still have the exact same admiration for the BBC as you had before and . . .
2. am I silly for comparing the BBC to the Catholic church?
quote:
BBC sex abuse scandal broadens: 9 others investigated after children’s TV host Jimmy Savile accused of abusing underage teens
The BBC, one of the world’s largest and most respected broadcasters, is under fire for failing to stop the abuse and for pulling an expose on Savile from TV schedules at the last minute in December. The sex allegations were later aired on the rival ITV network.
Entwistle acknowledged there had been a problem of culture within the BBC ... a broader cultural problem that allowed Savile’s behavior to go unchecked.
BBC sex abuse scandal broadens: 9 others investigated after children’s TV host Jimmy Savile accused of abusing underage teens — New York Daily News
How celebrity child sex scandal has rocked the BBC | CNN
http://www.washingtonpost.com/...a31-3083ca97c314_story.html
Page Not Found: 404 Not Found - CBS News

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Message 2 of 58 (676787)
10-25-2012 10:12 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by dronestar
10-25-2012 9:38 AM


dronester writes:
am I silly for comparing the BBC to the Catholic church?
No - you are just a hate-filled bigot who has no reluctance in using the suffering of abused women and children to further his own agenda.
So...how many people have worked at the BBC? How many of them were involved in the cover-up?
No answers? No facts? Nothing?
I thought not.
Just your usual ignorant bile.

"There is no great invention, from fire to flying, which has not been hailed as an insult to some god." J. B. S. Haldane

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dronestar
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Message 3 of 58 (676790)
10-25-2012 10:30 AM
Reply to: Message 2 by Panda
10-25-2012 10:12 AM


Thanks for the non-hyperventilating reply to my second question Panda.
Although my queries were mostly directed at Straggler and BG, it seems you accidentally missed my first question:
1. Do you still have the exact same admiration for the BBC as you had before?
Looking forward to your always calm, rational and moral response.

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Message 4 of 58 (676792)
10-25-2012 10:50 AM
Reply to: Message 3 by dronestar
10-25-2012 10:30 AM


Dronester writes:
Thanks for the non-hyperventilating reply to my second question Panda.
It was a calm and honest reply.
Dronester writes:
Although my queries were mostly directed at Straggler and BG
Then send them a private message instead of posting in the public Coffee House forum.
Dronester writes:
1. Do you still have the exact same admiration for the BBC as you had before?
Well...How many people at the BBC were involved in the cover-up?
Without knowing the scope of the problem I would be reluctant to make a judgement.
But I see that you don't let your own ignorance get in the way of your knee-jerk spite-filled finger-pointing.
Nothing new to be seen from you.
Dronester writes:
Looking forward to your always calm, rational and moral response.
Yes.
Those kinds of honest attributes must appear new and unobtainable to someone like you.

"There is no great invention, from fire to flying, which has not been hailed as an insult to some god." J. B. S. Haldane

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dronestar
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Message 5 of 58 (676797)
10-25-2012 11:20 AM
Reply to: Message 4 by Panda
10-25-2012 10:50 AM


"a problem of culture within the BBC"
Panda writes:
Without knowing the scope of the problem I would be reluctant to make a judgement.
Panda writes:
But I see that you don't let your own ignorance get in the way of your knee-jerk spite-filled finger-pointing.
The irony. It burns.

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Message 6 of 58 (676798)
10-25-2012 11:21 AM
Reply to: Message 5 by dronestar
10-25-2012 11:20 AM


Re: "a problem of culture within the BBC"
Panda writes:
Without knowing the scope of the problem I would be reluctant to make a judgement.
Panda writes:
But I see that you don't let your own ignorance get in the way of your knee-jerk spite-filled finger-pointing.
The irony. It burns.
But we know the scope of your problem

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Message 7 of 58 (676802)
10-25-2012 11:29 AM
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10-25-2012 11:21 AM


Re: "a problem of culture within the BBC"
CS writes:
But we know the scope of your problem
Perhaps, but that isn't on-topic. Would you like to try again?:
1. Do you still have the exact same admiration for the BBC as you had before and . . .
2. am I silly for comparing the BBC to the Catholic church?

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Message 8 of 58 (676805)
10-25-2012 11:38 AM
Reply to: Message 7 by dronestar
10-25-2012 11:29 AM


Re: "a problem of culture within the BBC"
Dronester writes:
1. Do you still have the exact same admiration for the BBC as you had before
What has the BBC done?
Be specific.
Dronester writes:
2. am I silly for comparing the BBC to the Catholic church?
What aspects are you comparing?
Be specific.

"There is no great invention, from fire to flying, which has not been hailed as an insult to some god." J. B. S. Haldane

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dronestar
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Message 9 of 58 (676807)
10-25-2012 11:46 AM
Reply to: Message 8 by Panda
10-25-2012 11:38 AM


Re: "a problem of culture within the BBC"
It seems my original post addresses your questions. Please re-read.
I also listed four media websites for your additional perusal. A pity I couldn't find a news source from the trusted BBC, so sorry.

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Message 10 of 58 (676810)
10-25-2012 11:53 AM
Reply to: Message 9 by dronestar
10-25-2012 11:46 AM


Re: "a problem of culture within the BBC"
dronester writes:
It seems my original post addresses your questions. Please re-read.
Your opening post contains nothing but rumours, suppositions and conjecture.
What has the BBC actually done?
Be specific.
dronester writes:
A pity I couldn't find a news source from the trusted BBC, so sorry.
That is because you didn't even look.
Home - BBC News
There is something about Savile on their front page every day.
But, I realise that you avoid facts that contradict your views - well, you appear to avoid all facts.
Talking of facts...
What has the BBC actually done?
Be specific.
Edited by Panda, : No reason given.
Edited by Panda, : No reason given.

"There is no great invention, from fire to flying, which has not been hailed as an insult to some god." J. B. S. Haldane

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Message 11 of 58 (676811)
10-25-2012 11:55 AM
Reply to: Message 7 by dronestar
10-25-2012 11:29 AM


Re: "a problem of culture within the BBC"
Yes and yes.

Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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Message 12 of 58 (676814)
10-25-2012 12:01 PM
Reply to: Message 7 by dronestar
10-25-2012 11:29 AM


Re: "a problem of culture within the BBC"
Perhaps, but that isn't on-topic. Would you like to try again?
That eliminates the "irony".
1. Do you still have the exact same admiration for the BBC as you had before
Yes, exactly the same amount; that is: none at all.
am I silly for comparing the BBC to the Catholic church?
No, that's not why you're silly.

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Message 13 of 58 (676816)
10-25-2012 12:06 PM
Reply to: Message 8 by Panda
10-25-2012 11:38 AM


Re: "a problem of culture within the BBC"
What has the BBC done?
Be specific.
I believe he's talking about this, that he quoted:
quote:
BBC sex abuse scandal broadens: 9 others investigated after children’s TV host Jimmy Savile accused of abusing underage teens.
The BBC, one of the world’s largest and most respected broadcasters, is under fire for failing to stop the abuse and for pulling an expose on Savile from TV schedules at the last minute in December. The sex allegations were later aired on the rival ITV network.
Entwistle acknowledged there had been a problem of culture within the BBC ... a broader cultural problem that allowed Savile’s behavior to go unchecked.
What aspects are you comparing?
Be specific.
I believe he's comapring the covering up of kiddy fiddling, which fitting of such organizations as the Catholic Church and Penn State University.
It's really not hard to see what Drone is talking about, whether you think he's right or wrong about it. But you've wasted a bunch of posts asking a question that's right in the OP.
Did BBC cover up the kiddy sex or not? And is that fitting of a news source like the BBC or something that we're more used to seeing from the Catholic Church?
- Oni

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dronestar
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Message 14 of 58 (676818)
10-25-2012 12:13 PM
Reply to: Message 10 by Panda
10-25-2012 11:53 AM


Re: "a problem of culture within the BBC"
Panda writes:
What has the BBC actually done.
quote:
The BBC, one of the world’s largest and most respected broadcasters, is under fire for failing to stop the abuse and for pulling an expose on Savile from TV schedules at the last minute in December.
Whoops, just found this from the BBC, but, not surprisingly, it doesn't state the BBC's involvement in the abuse:
Jimmy Savile: Number of victims reach 300, police say
Jimmy Savile: Number of victims reaches 300, police say - BBC News
I suppose until they dig up the deceased Savile and actually convict him with the crimes, it will always be rumours, suppositions and conjecture? (it seems the catholic church got a lot of mileage out of that policy too)
Edited by dronester, : added comparison

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Message 15 of 58 (676823)
10-25-2012 12:22 PM
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10-25-2012 12:06 PM


Re: "a problem of culture within the BBC"
Oni writes:
I believe he's talking about this, that he quoted:
Aaah...so Dronester is angry about the BBC "pulling an expose on Savile from TV schedules".
Seems an odd thing to rage about.
Maybe he knows something we don't. (HAHAHA - only joking!)
Oni writes:
I believe he's comapring the covering up of kiddy fiddling, which fitting of such organizations as the Catholic Church and Penn State University.
And what cover-up did the BBC do?
Oni writes:
Did BBC cover up the kiddy sex or not?
Well, Dronester already 'knows' the answer to that question...

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